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  1. Many versions show that Eklavya was killed by Krishna using deciet, but they tactfully hide the lesser known fact that Eklavya killed Krishna’s beothers by deciet.

    Similarly Karna was killed helpless as he who being considered the biggest Danveer did not consider the sorry plight of draupadi and failed in helping her which itself shows what kind of Danveer he was who could not listen to cries and pledges of a helpless women.

  2. The fact remains the same celestial weapons though not named at Virata were used by both Arjuna and Kurus (including Karna).

    So instead of creating mind stories of celestial weapons not being used please read MB which says they were used.

  3. Smarty

    Can you mention any big celestial weapon fired by Arjuna except the Sammohana ??

    He defeated Karna on his own with or without celestial weapons.

    Just seeing Rudra weapon Karna started crying foul instead of continuing fight.

    Arjuna still had many celestial weapons up his sleeves even after Karna Karna had used his highest weapon called Brasmastra.

    Unlike Arjuna he did not fight from ground. ARJUN DID NOT MADE REQUEST TO OTHERS TO FIGHT FROM GROUND WHEN HE FOUGHT FROM GROUND NEITHER LAXMANA OR RAMA DID THE SAME REQUEST WHEN THEY WERE FIGHTING FROM GROUND.

    War is not about making requests to opponenets but it is about fighting in all given situations.

  4. sachin,

    only you could believe that interpolation can be in the form only supernatural . glorification can in the form of many things,

    the people like you would claim that only Superman, Spiderman , and other marvel heroes feats are interpolation and are fake,

    but rational would also say that Sunny Deol Gadar performance is also the same.

    that’s where our and your understanding gets separated.

  5. sachin,

    if Krishna is made supreme power by later works, do you think those guys were so fool not to protect Arjuna’s image.

    if Arjuna is shown defeated by everyone , if his weaknesses are shown , how it will appear God best friend is so incompetent.

    so there is much possibility that Fake herosim of Arjuna was created by changing history as there was no other source available to questioned them also.

  6. sujal,

    use of celestial weapons are mentioned in fight between Bhima and Aswatthama, but Bhima had no answer to Narayana astra and Bhrahmashira of Aswatthama which were mentioned specifically .

    ultra powered weapons were always mentioned with names.

  7. sachin,

    interpolation doesn’t have to be for benefiting Karna. as you don’t believe in Krishna’s divinity , the interpolation could be done very well by those guys who made Krishna a God and his best friend next to God.
    the guys who can add supernatural can change the history as well. where are the books written by others to refute or which can be used as something for comparing deviations.

    so don’t talk naively that interpolators only wanted to help Karna it can other way around too .

    If God Krishna can created and false hero can also be created .

  8. Words of Arjuna,

    O king, been enjoying rest (in the camp), having come away from the cruel Karna. I have seen, O son of Pandu, THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL (BHARGAVA) WEAPON of Karna displayed in the van of battle.

    Arjuna specifically talking about Bhargava weapon.

    Arjuna defeating Karna in Virat war doesn’t prove that Karna had no chance against Arjuna in his next encounters.
    Arjuna wandering from one place to another in search of weapons. Arjuna doing penance of Lord shiva and his efforts to collect weapons from Devraj Indra is a sufficient proof of Karna’s caliber.

    As a matter of fact, Arjuna clearly tells Lord Shiva he had done penance to defeat the four atirathis.

    In Viratyudh ,arjuna had all newly acquired weapons, and Gandiva while Karna was fighting with ordinary ones. And Arjuna won . if Karna had brought all weapons and lost then it is a different case . it absolutely establishes Arjuna’s supremacy .

    On 17th day Karna too brought his best arsenal. And there lies the difference.

  9. @ Niraj,

    Your statement-“Sachin ans- Arjun’s 6 other victories over Karna clearly punctures your point, because Arjun clearly thrashed a fully armed arrow firing Karna there…..My ans. What 6 victories ? Karna firing divysatrsa arjuna = ghughuprasad stands as solid as ever.”

    My ans- Punctured meaningless arguement of a NZ player…. Hence i dont need to answer it, as i already proved my point….

    Your statement-“Your above statement as regards divysatra firing karna is utter lie This cheap nautanki of yours is nothing new. False accusations false claims. First of all there wasn’t 7 victories at virata yes at one stage karna and others were shown coming with celestial weapons this point was raised before. Firstly virata yudha is supernatural just like chariot burning secondly the high level divyastra were not specifically mentioned. Fact is when reputed astras were mentioned arjuna was a lost boy in short pants.”

    My ans- Punctured meaningless arguement of a NZ player…. Hence i dont need to answer it, as i already proved my point….

    Your statement-“you haven’t. temporary swoon warrior getting up and sending his opponent packing is a common phenomenon. Yudhi made karna swoon alter yudhi was running for cover ditto for arjuna vs susharma. So your stupid point is non contextual. In an instant karna was on his feat. I can also say ashatthama and karna showed mercy at virat yudha to arjuna. as his aukat in front of ultrapowered divysatras like naryana astra etc was well known.”

    My ans- Punctured meaningless arguement of a NZ player…. Hence i dont need to answer it, as i already proved my point….

    Your statement-“Nope…. Arjun had not butted unfairly between two warriors….. because Karna had already refused to fight further with Bhima(wrestling challenge), hence Karna had accepted defeat….. So technically the battle between the two had ended… And then only Arjun attacked Karna, but instead of fighting with Arjun, Karna ran away, hence clear defeat for Karna…..My ans accepting or not he was facing bhima. addressed to bhima. arjunas attack was foul.”

    My ans- Whatever…… Karna ran away because of Arjun’s attack on him & Karna could not counter attack & ran away, hence defeat for Karna at the hands of arjun……

    Your statement-“I don’t need to reply to this stupid Sachin puraan of yours.”

    My ans- Well Thanks for the PERSONAL COMMENT….. I am keeping it for the record…..

    Your statement-“What a stupid reply. Commando x is in battle zone sees y staring runs away. Commondo x undefeated. Comondo a captures commondo b in battle comondo c who is in some other town watching t.v is defeated. I cant even call this Sachin puran. This is can only be Sachin lal ke haseen sapne.”

    My ans- Firstly, thanks for the PERSONAL COMMENT again….. I am keeping it for the record…..

    Secondly, your own Commondo example punctures your Nahusha example…. Where Comondo A (Nahusha) captures commondo b(Devlok), comondo C(Indra) who is in some other town watching t.v is not defeated……. Thanks for the help….

    Your statement-“here is a difference between cricket and war scenes. Your attapattu example is in itself rubbished by this fact.”

    My ans- Okay Niraj,…. here is a human war example specially for you:

    Commondo A (Arjun) injures/defeats & makes a fully armed Commondo B (Karna) run away on 6 battles in fair head on war…… On 7th occasion, Commondo B (Karna) gives a easy opportunity to Commondo A to kill him by stupidly trying to repair the punctured tyre of his Jeep in the middle of the battlefield….. For this Commondo B (Karna) started begging to Commondo A to not to kill him & asked for a TIME-PLEASE….. But Commondo A refuses, but still Commondo B (Karna) keeps repairing his punctured tyre & kept firing in between….. Commondo A kills Commondo B (Karna) in that position….. So does it prove that Commondo A (Arjun) hadnt had the capabilty to kill Commondo B (Karna) when he was not giving any easy opportunity to Commondo A ??? Funny isnt it ??

    Further, Commondo B (Karna) fires all of his best bombs, rockets, bullets etc. at Commondo A(Arjun) but Commondo A still injures Commondo B (Karna) & kills all of his back up & support staff, leaving Commondo B (Karna) alone & helpless & begging….. So this clearly proves that Commondo A killed a fully armed Commondo B (Karna)…..

    Your statement-“Arjuna only one upped them when they were fighting with ordinary arrows. When firing divine weapons this ghughuprasad only wetted the ground. Killing the unarmed karna was unfair. Your howling otherwise is irrelevant. Bheesma teling duryodhana. Shall I quote yudhi on karna ????”

    My ans- Punctured arguement….. Your “divine weapons=ghughuprasad” theory is already punctured by me previously…. Your non-acceptance of Viraat example is NZ player like behaviour, hence rubbish……

    And Bhishma didnt only glorified Arjun in front of Duryo, But Duryo indeed Ran away from Viraat war(Actual event) & Whole Kuru army INDEED FAILED TO PROTECT DURYO FROM ARJUN at Viraat (Actual event)….. So your quote of yudhi on karna is non-contextual here…..

    Your statement-“An eternal blabbering of a mad man.”

    My ans- Thanks for the PERSONAL COMMENT again… Niraj, your account of PERSONAL COMMENTS are fast filling again before i again inform Dhruv about it…… So be carefuly in posting such PERSONAL COMMENTS, otherwise they may be your last comments in this blog before Dhruv bans you from this blog……

    Your statement-“Nowhere C. Rajagopalachari boo hood on supernatural events Jodha akbar was glorious interpolated nonsense without any thing supernatural. There was nothing supernatural about the song laila tujhe lutlegi tu likh ke lele in the film shoot out at wadala. That doesn’t mean that this was not an interpolation. Interpolation = supernatural and nothing else.”

    My ans- Well your limited understanding is clearly visible here…… “Interpolation” does not always mean “Supernatural events” but it also includes Non-Supernatural events as well…… E.g. At Draupadi Swayamwar, at one place it is mentioned that Karna lifted the bow & at other it is mentioned that he failed to do so….. So there is nothing supernatural in both events, but there is contradiction, hence possibility of a Interpolation (Non-Supernatural offcourse)…..

    For Supernatural interpolation, i dont need anybody’s support to refute them because i have God & his Laws of nature on my side….. But to refute Non-Supernatural Interpolations, i now got the support of C.rajgopalchari, because he also admitted that MB has been interpolated(Supernatural + Non-Supernatural) over the years….. This was the first claim (about Interpolations in MB) which i had given when i had joined this blog some 4 years ago…..

  10. @ Niraj

    Hope your health is fine. There is too much heat due to summer but hope it has not got into your own mind.
    Niraj Says :- Sujaal you are a relative new comer. This who said to whom has been defunked and rejected by everybody in this blog. . To prove you will have to show the passages of karna firing divysatras not some one telling the other divyastras were fired,

    Sujal :- Since who said to whom is non contextual as said by Niraj himself, What Arjuna said during first fire of Bhargava remains defunked and rejected by Niraj’s own admission. The passages mention that Arjuna was not fighting Karna when Bhargava was fired and hence Arjuna not stopping it is not defeat. How can Karna firing astra at some one else can be nullified by Arjuna who is engaged somewhere else.

    As said either the common sense is not being applied by Karna fans or either summer heat is getting into there minds.

    Regarding my post it was immediately after Karna was defeated and hence it is clear Karna also fired Divyastras by the admission of Uttara.

  11. Sujaal Displaying some karna like danveerta I will actually give you a breather over here.

    Karna, that hero among men, decked with a golden necklace, stopped the king on the way and soothing him, himself proceeded along the north of Duryodhana’s car to meet Partha in battle. And the mighty-armed Bhishma also, the son of Santanu, turning back his steeds decked with gold, enormous in size, and of tawny hue, rushed bow in hand, for protecting Duryodhana from Partha’s hand. And Drona and Kripa and Vivingsati and Dussasana and others also, quickly turning back, rushed forward with speed with drawn bows and arrows fixed on the bow-strings, for protecting Duryodhana. And beholding those divisions advance towards him like the swelling surges of the ocean, Dhananjaya, the son of Pritha, quickly rushed at them like a crane rushing at a descending cloud. And with celestial weapons in their hands, ( THIS SAYS THAT THEY WENT TOWARDS ARJUNA WITH CELESTIAL WEAPONS )
    they completely surrounded the son of Pritha and rained on him from all sides a perfect shower of shafts, like clouds showering on the mountain breast a heavy downpour of rain, And warding off with weapons, all the weapons of those bulls among the Kurus, the wielder of the Gandiva who was capable of enduring all foes, evolved another irresistible weapon obtained from Indra, called Sanmohana.

    ALTHOUGH THIS POST LOOKS GOOD SACHIN HAD BROUGHT IT UP BUT THIS TOO HAS A FLAW. IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY THE ALL THEIR CELESTIAL WEAPONS OR MOST POWERFUL CELESITAL WEAPIONS LIKE BRAHMASTRA NARYANA ASTRA ETC. SECONDLY BRINGING CELESTIAL WEAPONS WORD IS USED NOT FIRED. ITS SHAFTS WHICH ARE FIRED. FIRING CELESTIAL WEAPON NEEDS PREPARATION ASK ASHWATHAM HE FIRED BRAHMA WEAPON LATER ON AND ENDED UP IN A MESS. HAVING CELESTIAL WEAPON DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN FIRING IT. THE ULTRAPOWERED CELESTIAL WEAPONS WHICH MADE ARJUN GHUGHU PRASAD AT KURUKSHETRA WERE NOT FIRED AT VIRATA YUDHA.

  12. Sujaal you are a relative new comer. This who said to whom has been defunked and rejected by everybody in this blog. . To prove you will have to show the passages of karna firing divysatras not some one telling the other divyastras were fired,

  13. Now regarding celestial weapons not used by Kurus including Karna and Ashwathama let me puncture that also

    Vaisampayana said, ‘Having defeated Vikartana’s son, Arjuna said unto the son of Virata, ‘Take me towards that division where yonder device of a golden palmyra is seen. There our grandfather, Santanu’s son, like unto a celestial, waiteth, desirous of an encounter with me.’ Thereupon, beholding that mighty host thronged with cars and horses and elephants, Uttara, sorely pierced with arrows, said, ‘O hero, I am no longer able to guide thy excellent steeds. My spirits droop and my mind is exceedingly

    p. 107

    bewildered. All the directions seem to be whirling before my eyes in consequence of the energy of the celestial weapons used by thee and the Kurus.

  14. Sachin ans- Arjun’s 6 other victories over Karna clearly punctures your point, because Arjun clearly thrashed a fully armed arrow firing Karna there…..

    My ans. What 6 victories ? Karna firing divysatrsa arjuna = ghughuprasad stands as solid as ever.

    Sachin ans- Utter LIE…… Arjun clearly defeated a Divyastra firing Karna in many of his 7 victories…e.g. Viraat war, where Karna was firing Divyastras & then Arjun countered with Sammohan & defeated him….. So stop beating your punctured Dhol…..

    My ans Your above statement as regards divysatra firing karna is utter lie This cheap nautanki of yours is nothing new. False accusations false claims. First of all there wasn’t 7 victories at virata yes at one stage karna and others were shown coming with celestial weapons this point was raised before. Firstly virata yudha is supernatural just like chariot burning secondly the high level divyastra were not specifically mentioned. Fact is when reputed astras were mentioned arjuna was a lost boy in short pants.

    My ans No Sachin its not. Temprorary swoons do take place not a big deal. And that too arjuna achieved this after naga astra. Had not Krishna saved him this insignificant incident would not have happened.”
    My ans- Well i proved my point very well….. And your Cheap excuses does not change the fact that Arjun clearly unarmed Karna on his own steam in many battles (including 17th day) ….. And your “WOULD HAVE” & “COULD HAVE”(Krishna saving Arjun-Nagastra) does not change the facts….. Because if i use the “WOULD HAVE” & “COULD HAVE” then I would say that Karna “WOULD HAVE” been dead in Viraat war only had Arjun not shown mercy on him & Karna “COULD NOT HAVE” been able to fire his worthless divyastras in MB war or on day 17…… So stop beating your punctured Dhol…..

    My ans you haven’t. temporary swoon warrior getting up and sending his opponent packing is a common phenomenon. Yudhi made karna swoon alter yudhi was running for cover ditto for arjuna vs susharma. So your stupid point is non contextual. In an instant karna was on his feat.
    I can also say ashatthama and karna showed mercy at virat yudha to arjuna. as his aukat in front of ultrapowered divysatras like naryana astra etc was well known.

    My ans. Sorry dude its defeat for arjuna. Standing like a ghughuprasad is defeat.
    Sachin ans- Sorry dude….. Shouting foul play like NZ players wont win you the world cup or this arguement…… Hence i dont need to reply to this funny Niraj-puraan claim of yours because i have already won the World cup & this debate…..

    My ans I don’t need to reply to this stupid Sachin puraan of yours. Your infatuation with world cup is irrelevant as cricket and war is different.

    Sachin ans- Nope…. Arjun had not butted unfairly between two warriors….. because Karna had already refused to fight further with Bhima(wrestling challenge), hence Karna had accepted defeat….. So technically the battle between the two had ended… And then only Arjun attacked Karna, but instead of fighting with Arjun, Karna ran away, hence clear defeat for Karna…..

    My ans accepting or not he was facing bhima. addressed to bhima. arjunas attack was foul.

    My statement-“both were in battle zone arjuna saw karnas angry glances face off saw the weapon went yellow taken away from battle field. Why will bheeshma take revenge of duryodhanas capture. Duryodhana was already rescued and secondly bheeshma being pandava fan was more keen on singing pandava glories rather than avenging duryodhanas insult. Indra didn’t go there to give flying kisses to nahusha. He was in confrontation saw Nahusha created a puddle near his feet and left and is considered defeated. Is this so difficult to understand ??”
    Sachin ans- LO KALLO BAAT…… Bhishma karein to raasleela, Indra karein to Charater Dheela…. Aur Arjun kuch naa karein to bhi character Dheela….. Ha…ha…ha….. Your Double standards are clearly visible here, hence i dont need to answer to your Niraj-puraan claims which have already been punctured on umpteen times…..

    My ans. What a stupid reply. Commando x is in battle zone sees y staring runs away. Commondo x undefeated. Comondo a captures commondo b in battle comondo c who is in some other town watching t.v is defeated. I cant even call this Sachin puran. This is can only be Sachin lal ke haseen sapne.

    Sachin ans- Ha…ha…ha….. This is so funny to see you Hide behind the statements of our best DODGER of this blog-Mr Smarty…..
    My ans I wasn’t hiding behind smarty. I just agreed with him and pointed out the obvious.

    Sachins crappy E.g. Wasim Akram clean bowled Attapattu 6 times when Attapattu was playing a safe defensive shot…. & on the 7th time, when Attapattu played a rash shot, then Akram again bowled him…… So now Smarty/Niraj is saying that Akram hadnt had the capability to clean bowled Attapattu when he is not playing a rash shot, just because Attapattu(Karna) played a rash shot on 7th time & gave an easy opportunity to Akram(Arjun)….. Funny isnt it…… Ha…ha…ha…..

    My ans. There is a difference between cricket and war scenes. Your attapattu example is in itself
    rubbished by this fact.

    My statement-“Basic fact is Arjuna could not kill these guys in fair fight is NOT because he wouldn’t. Its because he COULDN’T.”
    Sachin ans- Utter LIE…… Basic fact is that Arjun defeated/killed all the contemporary Kuru Maharathis(Viz. Karna, Bhishma, Drona etc) multiple times in Fair fights…. Even the 17th day final battle was a fair fight….. Just see the terror of Arjun in the hearts of all Kurus, when as soon as Bhishma recognised Arjun at the Viraat border, Bhishma immediately adviced Duryo to run for his life towards hastinapur, because everyone knew that whole Kuru army cannot stand a chance
    against a lone Arjun…… What a DOMINANCE……

    My ans In your dreams. Arjuna only one upped them when they were fighting with ordinary arrows. When firing divine weapons this ghughuprasad only wetted the ground. Killing the unarmed karna was unfair. Your howling otherwise is irrelevant. Bheesma teling duryodhana. Shall I quote yudhi on karna ????

    My statement-“Sanskrit scholar C. Rajagopalachari also says the same thing.
    “ The Mahabharata was composed many thousand years ago. But generations of
    gifted reciters have added to Vyasa’s original a great mass of material. All the
    floating literature that was thought to be worth preserving, historical, geographical,
    legendary political, theological and philosophical, of nearly thirty centuries,
    found a place in it. In those days, when there was no printing, interpolation in a recognised classic seemed to correspond to inclusion in the national library.”
    Sachin ans- Well Niraj… Thanks a ton for this passage…. because this proves that even C.Rajgopalchari agrees with my point that MB contains INTERPOLATIONS…… This also punctures your point of accepting MB as a whole(including Interpolations/supernatural events)…..

    My ans An eternal blabbering of a mad man. Nowhere C. Rajagopalachari boo hood on supernatural events Jodha akbar was glorious interpolated nonsense without any thing supernatural. There was nothing supernatural about the song laila tujhe lutlegi tu likh ke lele in the film shoot out at wadala. That doesn’t mean that this was not an interpolation. Interpolation = supernatural and nothing else. Ha ha ha what a stupid conclusion.

  15. @ Niraj,

    Your statement-“The point was a maharathi cant be killed when he is firing arrows etc. Rama ravana example was targeted at that. I gave other examples like Vashishtha Vishwamitra as well.”

    My ans- Arjun’s 6 other victories over Karna clearly punctures your point, because Arjun clearly thrashed a fully armed arrow firing Karna there…..

    Your statement-“Arjuna ashwatthama example was given that maharathi can defeat another maharathi firing divyastra arjun could do it with ashwtthama NOT with Karna.”

    My ans- Utter LIE…… Arjun clearly defeated a Divyastra firing Karna in many of his 7 victories…e.g. Viraat war, where Karna was firing Divyastras & then Arjun countered with Sammohan & defeated him….. So stop beating your punctured Dhol…..

    Your statement-“Arjun clearly unarmed Karna on his own steam here…. Hence your rubbish point is clearly punctured…..My ans No Sachin its not. Temprorary swoons do take place not a big deal. And that too arjuna achieved this after naga astra. Had not Krishna saved him this insignificant incident would not have happened.”

    My ans- Well i proved my point very well….. And your Cheap excuses does not change the fact that Arjun clearly unarmed Karna on his own steam in many battles (including 17th day) ….. And your “WOULD HAVE” & “COULD HAVE”(Krishna saving Arjun-Nagastra) does not change the facts….. Because if i use the “WOULD HAVE” & “COULD HAVE” then I would say that Karna “WOULD HAVE” been dead in Viraat war only had Arjun not shown mercy on him & Karna “COULD NOT HAVE” been able to fire his worthless divyastras in MB war or on day 17…… So stop beating your punctured Dhol…..

    Your statement-“Sachin ans- It still Proves nothing….. Neither it proves victory for Karna/aswhattama or defeat for Arjun… My ans. Sorry dude its defeat for arjuna. Standing like a ghughuprasad is defeat.

    My ans- Sorry dude….. Shouting foul play like NZ players wont win you the world cup or this arguement…… Hence i dont need to reply to this funny Niraj-puraan claim of yours because i have already won the World cup & this debate…..

    Your statement-“Whatever the case may be. Without organ getting cut unfairly blows can be struck causing injury. Ask bhima he hit duryodhna unfairly without cutting anything. Bottom line is he butted unfairly between two warriors.”

    My ans- Nope…. Arjun had not butted unfairly between two warriors….. because Karna had already refused to fight further with Bhima(wrestling challenge), hence Karna had accepted defeat….. So technically the battle between the two had ended… And then only Arjun attacked Karna, but instead of fighting with Arjun, Karna ran away, hence clear defeat for Karna…..

    Your statement-“both were in battle zone arjuna saw karnas angry glances face off saw the weapon went yellow taken away from battle field. Why will bheeshma take revenge of duryodhanas capture. Duryodhana was already rescued and secondly bheeshma being pandava fan was more keen on singing pandava glories rather than avenging duryodhanas insult. Indra didn’t go there to give flying kisses to nahusha. He was in confrontation saw Nahusha created a puddle near his feet and left and is considered defeated. Is this so difficult to understand ??”

    My ans- LO KALLO BAAT…… Bhishma karein to raasleela, Indra karein to Charater Dheela…. Aur Arjun kuch naa karein to bhi character Dheela….. Ha…ha…ha….. Your Double standards are clearly visible here, hence i dont need to answer to your Niraj-puraan claims which have already been punctured on umpteen times…..

    Your statement-“Smart boy reading here your quote on me.“Niraj is not saying that, what he is saying is simple to understand.Niraj is saying the Arjuna had blotches which you guys are trying to clean. and why are this blotches at first place, they should not have been there nor this blog if Arjuna could kill any Big one without any controversy .”

    My ans- Ha…ha…ha….. This is so funny to see you Hide behind the statements of our best DODGER of this blog-Mr Smarty…..

    E.g. Wasim Akram clean bowled Attapattu 6 times when Attapattu was playing a safe defensive shot…. & on the 7th time, when Attapattu played a rash shot, then Akram again bowled him…… So now Smarty/Niraj is saying that Akram hadnt had the capability to clean bowled Attapattu when he is not playing a rash shot, just because Attapattu(Karna) played a rash shot on 7th time & gave an easy opportunity to Akram(Arjun)….. Funny isnt it…… Ha…ha…ha…..

    Your statement-“Basic fact is Arjuna could not kill these guys in fair fight is NOT because he wouldn’t. Its because he COULDN’T.”

    My ans- Utter LIE…… Basic fact is that Arjun defeated/killed all the contemporary Kuru Maharathis(Viz. Karna, Bhishma, Drona etc) multiple times in Fair fights…. Even the 17th day final battle was a fair fight….. Just see the terror of Arjun in the hearts of all Kurus, when as soon as Bhishma recognised Arjun at the Viraat border, Bhishma immediately adviced Duryo to run for his life towards hastinapur, because everyone knew that whole Kuru army cannot stand a chance against a lone Arjun…… What a DOMINANCE…….

    Your statement-“Sanskrit scholar C. Rajagopalachari also says the same thing.
    “ The Mahabharata was composed many thousand years ago. But generations of
    gifted reciters have added to Vyasa’s original a great mass of material. All the
    floating literature that was thought to be worth preserving, historical, geographical,
    legendary political, theological and philosophical, of nearly thirty centuries,
    found a place in it. In those days, when there was no printing, interpolation in a recognised classic seemed to correspond to inclusion in the national library.”

    My ans- Well Niraj… Thanks a ton for this passage…. because this proves that even C.Rajgopalchari agrees with my point that MB contains INTERPOLATIONS…… This also punctures your point of accepting MB as a whole(including Interpolations/supernatural events)…..

  16. Niraj

    I never ever supported Sachin’s scientific theory as the start of MB itself is supernatural where God Ganesha comes to write the epic for Vyasa. Reading MB means you are reading supernatural event and to find today’s science in that is something i can not support.

    But the same MB mentions Nara Narayana theory also. Shakti ke bagair Shiva bhi sava hai means Lord Shankara is incomplete without Parvati and they togather form the supreme diety called Shiva. Similarly Narayana is incomplete without Nara and they togather form the supreme deity called Vishnu.

    I have never questioned Karna’s performance at Rangshala but have only questioned his purpose by quoting MB itself. I never said Krishna did not save Arjuna from Nagastra but i only say it was duty of charioteer. You yourself have quoted it was duty of charioteer and he was saved from Ashwasena and not the dart of Karna as Ashwasena had entered the dart even without permission of Karna himself.

    Neither i have quoted meaningless theories like you guys arising from mind not mentioned in any puranas or MB or Shreemad so if Sachin is flawed with his scientific modern explanations you are flawed with your non relevant modern day serial writers.

  17. Smarty and Sanjay. ORG MB is clearly interpolated. Ceshto ( Arjuna ) cant defeat Mac Mohan ( Bandits ) but can singlehandedly defeat Amjad Khan ( duryodhana ) Amitabh Bacchan
    ( Karna ) Dilip Kumar ( Bheeshma ) and Shammi Kapoor ( Drona ) in filmy language this does not make sense. An ordinary warrior who failed in front of petty bandits ( even If we agree he was undefeated ) will defeat an entire battalion of highly trained maharathis completely defies elementary logic.

  18. Oh oh Now authenticity is the latest funda of the Karna hate club. Till now they were singing
    KMG hai imaan mera KMG meri zindagi. When KMG is quoted We see Sachins quote.

    Sachin April 23 11. 55 am
    Now, “Vyasa saying that MB story is his imagination” is the work of interpolator only, so why would i take it seriously…..

    ( HA HA HERE KMG REFUTED DESPITE NOTHING BEING SUPERNATURAL ABOUT THE STATEMEN )

    Further more on April 10.
    Sachin says:
    April 10, 2015 at 12:21 pm
    Reason for Inconsistency in Karna’s performance throughout MB:
    It is becoming clear that why there is so much of inconsistency regarding Karna’s performance throughout the MB…..
    It looks like, Karna was a non-extraordinary Maharathi just like Ashwatthama, Satyaki, Sahadev etc…..This is proved by the defeats of Karna at the hands of Arjun, Bhima, Abhimanyu, Satyaki, Drupad, Gandharvas etc….
    It is obivious that Karna was Drona’s disciple…..since Karna also participated in the war with Drupad for Guru-dakshina…..
    Karna’s desire to become best Archer was obivious…..but Arjun was Drona’s best student & best Archer…..& Drona refused to give Karna the knowledge of Brahma weapon…..so Karna knew until he gets the knowledge of Brahma weapon, he wont be able to defeat Arjun on pure Archery skills & with non-celestial weapon……so he goes to Parshuram to get the knowledge of Bramha weapon…..
    Now, Karna’s abilities were glorified by Ved Vyas or ‘someone else’ because :
    Karna challenged Arjun in Rangshala……hence an “irrelevant hype” was created in the masses that who is better between Arjun & Karna ???….. So to futher substantiate this hype, the writer (Vyas or ‘someone else’~ Interpolator) glorified Karna’s abilities further in the later part of MB story by mentioning Karna’s invincibility in the statements of various characters like Krishna, Yudhishthira etc…..
    Karna’s abilities may also have been hyped after the war by Pandavas only….. because he was the eldest son of Kunti…..
    In one paragraph of Vyas MB, it is mentioned that Karna failed to lift the Bow of Draupadi Swayamwar…….It might be true………And interpolators may have fabricated this part by adding that Karna lifted the Bow, only to further hype Karna’s abilities…..
    At the time of death of every warriors, their abilities were glorified……similarly Karna was glorified when Arjun kills him…..
    Hence it is clear that inconsistency regarding Karna’s performance throughout the MB was only because of the Hype created by Ved Vyas or ‘someone else’…..

    HENCE KMG/VYASA BEING INTERPOLATED BY VYASA RESPECTED BY SACHIN BY PANDAVAS WHOM SACHIN IS COMPLETLTY DEVOTED IS ACKNOWLEDGED BY SACHIN AND I AM SURE WILL BE PARROTED BY SUJAAL AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE KARNA HATE CLUB. SO WHY BLAME T.V. SERIALS WHEN ORG MB KE HI LAALE PADE HUE HAIN ????

  19. When Star plus writers quote there own versions of Virata and loose TRPs, when Sony shows wrong stories of Maharama Pratap and looses Trps than it is clear that people will not accept mind theories and stories which deviate from actual events than people loose interest in them.

    Mb or historical events are not a fictional film that every one would believe or agree what director thinks of it or what writers think of it, it is known to people and deviation from facts in such historical events would make people loose interst in it.

  20. Smarty

    What was skipped ?? Online verses of translation are available for you and for all.

    Now i only quote translations of puranas or shreemad bhagvatam or MB or ramayana.

    If you have problem with that than no one can stop you from your own MB OR SHREEMAD BHAGWATAM OR PURANAS OR RAMAYANA.

      1. I questioned modern day writers of serials and tv shows and few books who gave there own versions and not KMG. Translations is the one i have always relied on and quoted.

        Now if translations quote Arjuna on right track and Karna ending up loosing its not my fault. It is you who raise questions on translations not me.

        If some part of story is missing in translations on MB and i quote puranas or Shreemad than i m not writing my own story but only mentioning what is stated in original form.

        If MB is about boons and curses than it is not my fault.

        If Arjuna uses curses to his advantage according to MB and Karna fails than it is not my fault.

  21. Sujal,

    Most of the time we are quoting from KMG MB. And when you accuse someone of defending Karna’s image by quoting from KMG MB by asserting the lines were purposely skipped. You are thereby directly accusing the author from which work you have quoted.

    And to further rely on his book is unwisely.

    So to further rely on his book is very unwisely. But you all the time