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  1. On battle day 17 karna too gave bhima thrashings. On battle day 15 drona vadha bhima got a nice pasting from karna and ran away and karna was without vijay dhanush at that time. Celestial bows make a difference in firing the arrows as it has an advantage but when the battle is on divyastra level then bow is non contextual hence arjuna with his gandiva and other paraphernalia chickened out during the bhargava astra episode. He got killed by arjuna without his bow he was unarmed. Ie killed unfairly. All this can be proven from KMG.

  2. Dear Smarty,

    Since you are too much obssessed in crediting all the success of Arjun to his arsenal(Gandiva, Car etc), & you are emphasising too much on the glorifying discriptions of Arjun’s arsenal, so let give you some passages which were said by your favourite Karna himself:

    On 16th night, Karna said to Duryo:

    “My bow, called Vijaya, is the foremost of all weapons (of its kind). Desirous of doing what was agreeable (to Indra), it was made by Vishakarman (the celestial artificer) for Indra. With that bow, O king, Indra had vanquished the Daitya*. At its twang the Daityas beheld the ten points to be empty. 1 That bow, respected by all, Sakra gave to Bhrigu’s son (Rama). That celestial and foremost of bows Bhrigu’s son gave to me. With that bow I will
    contend in battle with the mighty-armed Arjuna, that foremost of victorious warriors, like Indra fighting with the assembled Daityas.
    That formidable bow, the gift of Rama, is superior to Gandiva.”…….

    “His is that celestial and foremost of bows, called Gandiva, which is irrefragible in battle. I also have that excellent, celestial, and formidable bow called Vijaya. IN RESPECT OT OUR BOWS, THEREFORE, O KING, I AM SUPERIOR TO ARJUNA.”
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    Now what do you have to say to Karna’s statements here ?? Was he lying to Duryo here ?????

    So as per your EMPHASIS on glorifications of arsenal, Karna has the best Bow-Vijaya(better than Gandiva) but still Karna got defeated by Bhima on 17th day & later on killed by Arjun…… So this shows that Karna was so incompetant that he hadnt even had the capabilities to make use of the best of arsenal(Vijaya bow) & even after aquiring the Vijaya bow, he still got defeated by Bhima/Arjun, so this proves how incompetant Karna’s archery skills were……

    So buddy stop repetedly beating your punctured drum of crediting all capabilities of Arjun on to his arsenal, because Arjun produced results even without those arsenal & Karna couldnt produce any result with or without acquiring best of weapons…..

    Could Ricky ponting have equalled Tendulkar’s batting record, if he had used Tendulkar’s heavy bat ?????? Certainly not…. because to use such heavy bat, one needs to have the capabilties & experties to do so…. If you say that Tendulkar could make those tons of runs & became the best batsman of his era only because of his heavy bat then whole world will laugh at you…… Similar funny statements you are giving about Arjun’s arsenal……

  3. This is the particular event which gave Arjuna distinct edge over his rival.

    BUT, O EXALTED ONE, I HAVE NO BOW SUITED TO THE STRENGTH

    OF MY ARMS, AND CAPABLE OF BEARING THE MIGHT I MAY PUT FORTH IN BATTLE. In consequence of the lightness of my hands also I require arrows that must never be exhausted. MY CAR ALSO IS SCARCELY ABLE TO BEAR LOAD OF ARROWS THAT I WOULD DESIRE TO KEEP BY ME. I DESIRE CELESTIAL STEEDS OF PURE WHITE, POSSESSING THE SPEED OF THE WIND; AND A CAR POSSESSING THE SPLENDOUR OF THE SUN AND THE CLATTER OF WHOSE WHEELS SHOULD RESEMBLE THE ROAR OF THE CLOUDS. Then, there is no weapon suited to Krishna’s energy and with which Madhava can slay Nagas and Pisachas. O exalted one, it behoveth thee to give us the means by which success may be achieved and by which we may thwart Indra in pouring his showers upon that extensive forest. O Pavaka, we are ready to do all that manliness and prowess can do. But, O exalted one, it behoveth thee to give us the adequate means.’”

    The smoke-bannered celestial welcoming with reverence the ruler of the waters, that fourth of the Lokapalas, said unto that eternal god of gods, ‘Give me without loss of time that bow and quiver, and that ape-bannered car also, which were obtained from king Soma. Partha will achieve a great task with Gandiva, and Vasudeva also with the discus! Give both, therefore, unto me today.’ Hearing these words, Varuna replied unto Pavaka, saying, ‘Well, I am giving them.’ HE THEN GAVE THAT WONDERFUL JEWEL OF A BOW THAT WAS ENDUED WITH GREAT ENERGY. THAT BOW WAS THE ENHANCER OF AND FAME ACHIEVEMENTS, AND WAS INCAPABLE OF BEING INJURED BY ANY WEAPON. IT WAS THE CHIEF OF ALL WEAPONS, AND THE GRINDER OF THEM ALL. AND IT WAS THE SMITER OF HOSTILE ARMIES AND WAS ALONE EQUAL TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND BOWS. It was the multiplier of kingdoms, and was variegated with excellent colours. It was well-adorned, and beautiful to behold, and without a mark of weakness or injury anywhere. And it was always worshipped both by the celestials and the Gandharvas. Varuna also gave two inexhaustible quivers, and he also gave a car furnished with celestial weapons and whose banner bore a large ape. Yoked unto that car were steeds white as silver of the fleecy clouds, and born in the region of the Gandharvas, and decked with golden harness, and RESEMBLING IN FLEETNESS THE WIND OR THE MIND. And it was equipped with implement of war, and was incapable of being vanquished by the celestials or the Asuras. Its splendour was great and the sounds of its wheels was tremendous. It delighted the heart of every creature that looked at it. It

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    had been made by Viswakarman, the architect of the universe and one of the lords of creation, after severe ascetic meditation. Its splendour, like that of the sun, was so great that no one could gaze at it. It was the very car from which the lord Soma had vanquished the Danavas. Resplendent with beauty, IT LOOKED LIKE AN EVENING CLOUD REFLECTING THE EFFULGENCE OF THE SETTING SUN. IT WAS FURNISHED WITH AN EXCELLENT FLAG-STAFF OF GOLDEN COLOUR AND GREAT BEAUTY. AND THERE SAT UPON THAT FLAG-STAFF A CELESTIAL APE OF FORM FIERCE LIKE THAT OF A LION OR A TIGER. STATIONED ON HIGH, THE APE SEEMED BENT UPON BURNING EVERYTHING IT BEHELD. AND UPON THE (OTHER) FLAGS WERE VARIOUS CREATURES OF LARGE SIZE, WHOSE ROARS AND YELLS CAUSED THE ENEMY’S SOLDIERS TO FAINT. Then Arjuna, accoutred in mail and armed with the sword, and his fingers cased in leathern gloves, walking round that excellent car adorned with numerous flags and bowing unto the gods, ascended it like a virtuous man riding in the celestial car that bears him to heaven. And taking up that celestial and first of bows created by Brahman of old and called Gandiva, Arjuna was filled with joy. And bowing unto Hutasana, Partha endued with great energy, took up the bow and strung it forcibly. Those who heard the noise that was made while the mighty Pandava strung that bow, quaked with fear. And having obtained that car and that bow, and the two inexhaustible quivers, the son of Kunti became glad and thought himself competent to assist at the task. And Pavaka then gave unto Krishna a discus with an iron pole attached to a hole in the centre. And it was a fiery weapon and became his favourite. Having obtained that weapon, Krishna also became equal to the task. Pavaka then, addressing Krishna, said,

    . Having obtained the bow Gandiva and this couple of inexhaustible quivers I also am ready to conquer in battle the three worlds. Therefore, O lord, blaze thou forth as thou likest, surrounding this large forest on every side. We are quite able

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    to help thee.’

    “Vaisampayana continued, ‘Thus addressed both by Dasarha and Arjuna, the illustrious god then put forth his most energetic form, and prepared to consume the forest.

  4. sachin , judge the character of Drona from Duryodhana’s point of view.

    i respect Drona becs he was one of the finest warrior having knowledge of almost everything suited for the wars of that time.

    but i doubt his intentions.

    just read this lines,. Beholding that conduct of Subhadra’s son of immeasurable energy, thy troops trembled repeatedly. Seeing that warrior of great proficiency in battle, Bharadwaja’s son of great wisdom, with eyes expanded in joy, quickly came towards Kripa, and addressing him said, as if crushing (by that speech of his) the very vitals of thy son, O Bharata, the following words, ‘Yonder cometh the youthful son of Subhadra at the head of the Parthas, delighting all his friends, and king Yudhishthira, and Nakula, and Sahadeva, and Bhimasena, the son of Pandu, and all his kinsmen, and relatives by marriage, and all who are watching the battle as spectators
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    without taking any part in it. I DO NOT REGARD ANY BOWMAN TO BE HIS EQUAL IN BATTLE. IF ONLY HE ENTERTAINS THE WISH, HE CAN SLAY THIS VAST HOST. IT SEEMS, THAT FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER, HE DOTH NOT ENTERTAIN THAT WISH

    now this is the limit of flattery .

    Hearing these words, Karna, afflicted with the shafts of Arjuna’s son, once more said unto Drona, ‘Exceedingly afflicted with the shafts of Abhimanyu, I am staying in battle, only because (as a warrior) I should stay here. Indeed, the arrows of this south of great energy are exceedingly fierce. Terrible as they are and possessed of the energy of fire, these arrows are weakening my heart.’ The preceptor then, slowly and with a smile, said unto Karna, ‘Abhimanyu is young, his prowess is great. His coat of mail is impenetrable. This one’s father had been taught by me the method of wearing defensive armour. This subjugator of hostile towns assuredly knoweth the entire science (of wearing armour). With shafts well shot, you can, however, cut off his bow, bow-string, the reins of his steeds, the steeds themselves, and two Parshni charioteers. O mighty bowman, O son of Radha, if competent, do this. Making him turn back from the fight (by this means), strike him then. With his bow in hand he is incapable of being vanquished by the very gods and the Asuras together. IF YOU WISH, DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS CAR, AND DIVEST HIM OF HIS BOW.

    this point cannot go unnoticed ,

    first of all a warrior like Karna doesn’t need lessons which are meant for elementary fighters.

    most important point a warrior who claims of being capable of killing arjuna , has no such simple knowledge.

    lastly , what is meant by IF YOU WISH.

    for me it was against the rule to attack an enemy by many at the same time.

    Drona has given the go ahead but the decision of executing that was left upon Karna’s discretion.

    Drona was also involved in that.

    but none of this major warriors causes any fatal injury to abhimanyu.

    why was drona fighting , for duryo’s cause or for Aswatthama.

    many sons have died in the war.

    But drona abstain for fighting.

    For me it is a clear indication that he was not fighting the war for duryo, he had some obligation , and those obligation forced him to do so.

    1. Okay I will try to explain you mate.

      Even a Doctor takes a second opinion even though he is quite sure what to do, Karna did the same here, he took an advice of Drona, Karna then broke Abhimanyu’s bow fairly upfront. Arjuna got many advices in the war, for example : Krishna repeatedly adviced Arjuna to fire superior weapons against Karna in the last, Karna baffled Brahmastra with his own arrows and that made Krishna furious he repeatedly told Arjuna to fire superior weapons because Karna is baffling them all without any Divyastra’s.

  5. Dear Friends,

    Can anybody tell me whether Drona actually planned to capture Yudi on day 11, 12 & 13 or was it just the imagination of BR Chopra ??

    1. He did plan to capture Yudi on the days you mentioned, Duryodhana insulted him quite a lot before he took this ‘vow’ of capturing Yudi.

  6. Arjuna said, ‘Pale is the colour I behold of the faces of

    you all. I do not, again, see Abhimanyu. Nor doth he come to congratulate me. I heard that Drona had today formed the circular array. None amongst you, save the boy Abhimanyu, could break that array. I, however, did not teach him how to come out of that array, after having pierced it

    arjuna was the one who should be held responsible for not teaching Abhimanyu the complete tactics.

  7. hey sachin, will you join me at Karna blog on facebook . i feeling alone and is quite boring taking the abuses of these RONDU Karna followers.

    what a shame, this starbharata has made great impression in the mind of this new generation.

    1. Dear Smarty,

      Why are you so obssessed with the facebook pages of MB discussion & why are you asking me to have a discussion with you there when we already have this great & impartial blog of Dhruv to discuss here…??

      1. becs those guys be it karna or arjuna followers are indecent and gross. for them their hero is GOD and anything said against them is Blasphemy.

        even Ladies in that blog uses vulgar languages.

  8. guys i think this is the reason why arjuna with Gandiva had advantage over other bowman .

    in the entire MB everyone is praising the Archery Skills of Arjuna. Karna comes and challenge Arjuna and exhibits his talent.

    now if we read the other wars , a warrior who was not recognized for his archery skills had given good contest to more renown Bowman like Bhisma, Drona and Karna.

    so what all the fuss about archery skills than?

    when karna etc had to fight with Bhimsen, they had to fight from a close range . becs with normal bows they cannot shoot from a long distance to hit target.

    as such they lost the advantages they enjoyed and on the contrary it favored bhimsen way of fighting.

    from close distance bhimsen can minimize its shortcomings. he can shoot with similar or greater force than other , and from a close distance even if his archery skills fails he can bring his mace into the action.

    i am not sure if bhimsen had so much of accuracy to fully utilize a bow like Gandiva.

    whereas Karna by using Vijaya bow was able to shoot his target from a much farther distance.

    he didn’t have to come close to his target , of course for that you do need superb target striking abilities.

    becs of that other warrior loses , since other archers had to come close to Arjuna while arjuna can shoot his target from a greater distance.

    the other warriors had no option but to come close to arjuna if they had to strike arjuna with great force while arjuna can do that without coming near.

    and one can shoot many arrows simultaneously off gandiva. also again you need skills to do that, but skills also required proper equipment’s to prosper.

    one cannot achieve greater heights of success without the other.

    topic changed,

    it is said other than Arjuna and Ghatokacha no one could have fought with karna at the night.

    it is a clear indication that Karna had better archery skills than Satyaki, bhimsen etc.

    Arjuna becs it is mentioned that he practiced whole his life to master his skills to combat darkness.

    in that case Karna must have also done that or he was a born night fighter.

    but what about Ghatokacha, what kind of practiced he did.

    in my opinion , nothing especial.

    he was from Rakshasas tribe.

    what were the rakshasas . it is said they were expert in night Fight. but how?

    when it was a set rule that warrior cant fight after darkness sets in.

    the rule was becs of lack of visibility.

    while Raksasas used to hunt in the dark.

    the cavemen and cave women never wandered in the dark. they used to get inside their caves as soon the sun sets.

    but human are known for adaptation .

    just imagine a particular tribe of Human beings or similar to human beings(as science also say there were many species close to human beings that existed on earth) used to do their activities only in the dark for thousand and thousand of years .

    by doing that they had adapted themselves to the dark. just like any carnivores say big cats .

    and becs of that they could see much better than their cousins human.

    and if you are carnivores you will definitely hunt more using muscle . and if you exert your muscle , you are definitely going to be stronger than normal human beings.

    only few Human beings had the strength to out wrestle a Raksasas. and it cannot be a coincidence that all raksasas were stronger than normal human beings.

  9. Niraj bhai those two owns Karna vs Arjuna blog. they play table tennis together when i asked them to make it an open for all , they refused. and is playing together since.

    only Gaurav kotian is allowed to play in their absence.

    one bad thing about karna follower also is that they are accepting this starbharata as the original.

    guys can you all post your opinions at karna facebook blog. we all can have fun.

    i can surely say a fun loving person like me is not a true karna follower going by that blog rules.

  10. How do you know ?? SPMB is one of the worst Mythological TV serial & the worst MB TV serial….

    Even though SPMB directors had the most exciting Mythological/Historical story i.e. MB, still they were far behind the TRP’s of other current Historical TV serials like Mahadev, Jodha-Akbar etc….. A total shame on the name of SPMB producers/directors…..

    In SPMB, the MB war looks as if a “Saas-bahu” Drama is going on in the battlefield….. The Producers certainly saved the money of hiring an Action coordinator….. Total waste of such an epic Mythological story….

    1. they are falling behind in TRPS number, and thats why they are given some additional time frame to complete the their STARBHARATA.

      Since this the war time ie Kurukshetra they are confident they will not lose further TRPs .

      this is a prime slot so they cannot afford to run an average TV show and bear low profit.

      you can get the idea how fast they are winding up the main war.

      i was watching a particular show where it is made clear that the show will not continue for long.

      THE ARJUNA OF MAHABHARATA SHAHIL SHEIKH says that this STARBHARATA has covered all the important aspect running into the Kurukshetra war.

      ha ha ha ha and there is nothing left in MB after that. ha ha ha ha

      1. does some one remember aniket 777 and shashi mehra and their challange on the karna vs arjuna facebook ? that facebook has shut down and has become defunked. I remember some shayari on this occasion. Sher ka shikaar karne nikal pade lekin mulakaat ek chuhe se hogayee. I went there expecting a debate like sher ka shikaar. Like cowards they chickened out.

  11. STARBHARTA is coming to an end, they will stop the show right after the war.

    there designated slot of episodes are over . and taking into consideration the clauses given it was very tough on those makers to be fair. they were given prime slot with a condition that they should achieved the highest TRPs in that time slot.

    initially they were given some 50 episodes contract.

  12. Dear Smarty,

    Instead of advising me to think deeply, it’s you who should think deeply about position of Bhishma rather than thinking superficially or accepting the character of Bhishma as potrayed by B.R.Chopra/Ramanand sagar……

    Whenever i ask you why did Bhishma participated in MB war against Pandavas… You keeps mum & ignores this fact that no Vow of Bhishma forced him to do so….. So you should think deeply here….

    If you think deeply then you will observe that Bhishma had the first & foremost right to the throne(after Shantanu)…. And following his Vow was Bhishma’s own choice & no one would have objected to Bhishma if he had broken his vow anytime during the MB story & taken over the throne(Hastinapur’s people would have even supported Bhishma here)….. So technically, Bhishma had all the powers & rights to dethrone all the successors of throne viz. Chitrangad/Vichitravir/Pandu/Dhritrashtra anytime as per his wish & to estabilish himself as the king…… So Bhishma’s position & powers were actually more than the appointed kings of Hastinapur(Chitrangad/Vichitravir/Pandu/Dhritrashtra) anytime during the MB story(after Shantanu)….. So even if Bhishma didnt want to sit on the throne, still he had all the powers to dictate terms to the appointed king to force him to appoint a Yuvraaj of Bhishma’s choice or to make him resign from Kings post…. as Bhishma could threaten the appointed king to take over his throne anytime as per his wish to force him to follow Bhishma’s orders….

    BUT…. As pointed out by me previously & as per Vyas MB, Bhishma was more comfortable in accepting orders from others than giving order to others….. That is why i said that Bhishma was never a KING Material or he never had the guts to be a king…..

    Draupadi Vastraharan is a incidence which puts the shame on Bhishma by two ways…. First, Bhishma couldnt stop such insult to Draupdi/Kuruvansh even though when Bhishma had the powers to dictate terms to Dhritrashtra…. Second, Bhishma couldnt stop such insult to Draupdi/Kuruvansh even though when Bhishma was the eldest member of the Kuru family present there, so he still had the authority to atleast speak against the Vastraharan….. But he chose to remain MUM…. So either this proves that Bhishma was a Non-capable guy or he wanted the insult of Pandavas/Draupdi to happen at Dyuta……

    Dhritrashtra/Duryo rejecting the advices of Bhishma, this fact itself shows that either Bhishma was a non-capable guy to dictate terms to Dhritrashtra/Duryo or Bhishma supported the intentions/plannings of Dhritrashtra/Duryo…..

    And Bhishma’s participation in MB war against Pandavas clearly shows his dislike for Pandavas & like for Duryo…. Or Bhishma my be too scared to disobey the orders of Dhritrashtra…..!!!!!

    1. why you are stopping only here, and out of topic for a moment what is wrong with girls from Indonesia?

      why they are getting married to AHAM SHARMA in Karna facebook pages. it is scary for me.

      sachin you can read how easily dhritrirastra rejected bhisma’ plea in my earlier post.

      bhisma second part of promise is made to satyavati at the time she left for seclusion. he said he will never abandon hastinapura and will serve as servant to the king. biggest mistake of his life.

      guys somebody find it for me it is written in the 5th book .

      1. Show me the passages of bhisma’s promise to satyavati at the time she left for seclusion, because i couldnt find any….

        1. you can definitely find that on book 5 , becs this topic of bhisma’s vow had been raised by you earlier if you remember .

          and i have also posted the same to satisfy your query.

      2. aham sharma on facebook shows in my friend list. He had accepted my friendship request That’s a different story that if we see each other we may not communicate. He being celeb I being introvert.

  13. Bhishma the King ??

    Hey friends,

    Can you imagine what could have happened if Bhishma had become the king of Hastinapur after Shantanu (If Shantanu had not married Satyawati or if Satyawati had not forced Bhishma to take that Vow)….

    Do you think that Bhishm would have been a good king ????? And would stability have been prevailed during Bhishma’s reign in Hastinapur ???

    In my opinion, as per Vyas MB, one can easily observe that Bhishma was not a KING material at all….. Reason:

    1. To be a king, one should have a strong will to become a king & rule but Bhishma never had such will….. That is why Bhishma relinquished his rights to the throne so easily, just for the sake of his father’s happiness….

    2. Bhishma never attempted to take over the throne from Vichitrvirya/Chitrangad/Dhritrashtra, as he gave more importance to his vow than to his rights….

    3. Bhishma was more comfortable in receiving the order from others rather than giving orders to others(as a king)….. Just look at Duryo who never wanted to follow orders from Yudi if Yudi would have become the king & vice-versa for Yudi, instead they both chose to die fighting with each at Kurukshetra rather than accepting the opponent as his king…… But this self respect was absent with Bhishma, as he was readily willing to remain subordinate to other ordinary kings…..

    4. Another interesting observations is that, Bhishma had the option to retire from his duties as Hastinapur’s servant during his old age(much before the MB war) at the time when Satyawati had left Hastinapur to go to woods with Vyas or later as well BUT he never thought of retiring(may be he was too used to the royal lifestyle), instead Bhishma fought till his death to stop Yudi becoming the King(as no vow forced him for doing so) ……!!

    5. Bhishma’s mismanagement during the conflict between Duryo & Pandavas clearly shows that Bhishma hadnt had the capabilities or guts to become the king of Hastinapur…..

    6. Nobody from Kurus or Pandavas had the slightest of fear of Bhishma’s wrath, which is very much neccessary quality of a king….. And this is also proved by the Dyuta incidence, where Duryo hadnt had the slightest fear of Bhishma at the time he was insulting Draupadi…… A capable grandfather would never have allowed such thing to happen in front of his eyes…. But Bhishma’s silence at Dyuta clearly shows that he was either scared of Duryo or he favoured Draupadi vastr-haran…..

    7. Bhishma never thought of breaking his vow to take over the hastinpaur throne, even when Hastinpaur had no succesor left(after Vichitrvir’s death)….. This shows the childish stubborness of Bhishma to ignore the well-being of people of Hastinapur & give more value to his own stubborn vow……

    ———————–

    So above examples clearly proves that even if Bhishma would have become the King of Hastinapur after Shantanu, still Bhishma would have failed to rule properly, because of his lack of management skills & his Children/Grandchildren would have fought with each other for the throne & Bhishma would have still failed to controll them & he would have seen the MB war happening at that time as well, as he would have still failed to avoid it as well……

    1. sachin, Bhisma opposed the dice game but his suggestion were rejected by Dhitrirastra.

      Vaisampayana continued,–”Then Drona, Somadatta and Valhika, Gautama, Vidura, the son of Drona, and the mighty son of Dhritarashtra by his Vaisya wife, Bhurisravas, and Bhishma, and that mighty warrior Vikarna,–all said, ‘Let not the play commence. Let there be peace. But Dhritarashtra, partial to his sons, disregarding the counsels of all his wise friends and relatives, summoned the sons of Pandu.”

      Yajnaseni will then be freed from her state of bondage.”

      “Arjuna at this, said,–”This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that.”

      Vaisampayana continued,–”Just then, a jackal began to cry loudly in the homa-chamber of king Dhritarashtra’s palace. And, O king, unto the jackal that howled so, the asses began to bray responsively. And terrible birds also, from all sides, began to answer with their cries. And Vidura conversant with everything and the daughter of Suvala, both understood the meaning of those terrible sounds. And Bhishma and Drona and the learned Gautama loudly cried,–Swashti! Swashti!

      draupadi Vastraharan was a very tricky issue.

      It was definitely pre-planned by Karna and duryodhana.

      they had no such motives of marrying draupadi, all they wanted was to insult and humiliate her.

      .and most importantly if bhisma and drona had such option they would have joined the pandavas like yuyutshu and thereby facing the Kauravas only.

      so think deeply , which you hardly do.

      .

  14. @Dhruv,

    I have been following STEP 1 as explained by your mailer but there is not reaching STEP 2 till date..Am I being barred from getting mails from blog??

  15. @Sachin,

    this is what is called ‘village thinking’ and I was under the impression that you think ENGLISH…did you read my post? If you read it did you understand that I agree with your option fantasy?? As you said they had option so did I share that everybody else had the options???

    Ab isse aapki ENGLISH mein kaise samjhate hain bhai????

  16. Sachin’s statement –“Offcourse Smarty…. drona, karna, aswatthama never wanted to kill abhimanyu, Arjun, Bhima, Satyaki, Drishtdyumna etc, because they all loved Pandavas & they never wanted Pandavas’ defeat & they participated from Duryo’s side only for Time-pass & to cheat Duryo, even though they all had the option of not to participate in MB war…… Ha…ha…ha…ha….”

    My comment – I am highly inspired by this ENGLISH thinking and also think that such options were aplenty:-

    o Pandu had the option of continuing as king instead of going to exile and handing over Hastinapur to Dhritrashtra. Alas, he did not choose this option.
    o Kunti had the option of accepting Karna as his first born child after recognizing him at Rangshala. She also had the option of telling five Pandavas about Karna’s true identity to avoid war. Alas, she did not choose this option.
    o Karna had the option of accomplishing Swaymwar feat inspite of Draupadi refusing his candidature thus marrying Draupadi which would then have avoided her disrobing. But he stuck to his basic human courtesy and did not choose this option.
    o Gandhari had the option of refusing blind husband thus eliminating Shakuni’s hatred which otherwise resulted in doomsday for Kuruvansh. Alas, she did not do so.
    o Arjun had the option of refusing sharing of Draupadi with his brothers. He did not choose this option thus opening way for others to disgrace Draupadi for keeping multiple husbands
    o Yudi had the option of refusing post of Yuvraj to avoid family tension especially knowing of Duryo’s hatred for him and his brothers. Did greed of kingdom stop him from doing so? May be…! but he did not choose this option either.
    o Yudi & Kunti had the option of reigning in Bheema from ragging Kauravas in childhood which inflamed the hatred between cousins. Well they also never chose that option.
    o Yudi’s brothers had the option of not standing by his acceptance of playing dhyut, staking them and Draupadi. Alas but they did not choose this option.
    o They had the option of quitting slavery to save their and Draupadi’s honour but they did not chose this option.
    o Arjun had the option of attacking Bhishma himself in one on one battle owing to his prowess but he chose Shikhandi.
    o Yudi had the option of speaking truth to Drona about his son’s death but he chose to tell a lie.
    o Arjun had the option of waiting for Karna to be in a position to save himself but he did not chose this option.
    o Arjun had the option and capability to use other bow for fighting and averting dacoits attack but he chose to cry over his failed Gandiva.

    Sachin’s statement –“Offcourse Smarty…. drona, karna, aswatthama never wanted to kill abhimanyu, Arjun, Bhima, Satyaki, Drishtdyumna etc, because they all loved Pandavas & they never wanted Pandavas’ defeat & they participated from Duryo’s side only for Time-pass & to cheat Duryo, even though they all had the option of not to participate in MB war…… Ha…ha…ha…ha….”

    My comment – I am highly inspired by this ENGLISH thinking and also think that such options were aplenty:-

    o Pandu had the option of continuing as king instead of going to exile and handing over Hastinapur to Dhritrashtra. Alas, he did not choose this option.
    o Kunti had the option of accepting Karna as his first born child after recognizing him at Rangshala. She also had the option of telling five Pandavas about Karna’s true identity to avoid war. Alas, she did not choose this option.
    o Karna had the option of accomplishing Swaymwar feat inspite of Draupadi refusing his candidature thus marrying Draupadi which would then have avoided her disrobing. But he stuck to his basic human courtesy and did not choose this option.
    o Gandhari had the option of refusing blind husband thus eliminating Shakuni’s hatred which otherwise resulted in doomsday for Kuruvansh. Alas, she did not do so.
    o Arjun had the option of refusing sharing of Draupadi with his brothers. He did not choose this option thus opening way for others to disgrace Draupadi for keeping multiple husbands
    o Yudi had the option of refusing post of Yuvraj to avoid family tension especially knowing of Duryo’s hatred for him and his brothers. Did greed of kingdom stop him from doing so? May be…! but he did not choose this option either.
    o Yudi & Kunti had the option of reigning in Bheema from ragging Kauravas in childhood which inflamed the hatred between cousins. Well they also never chose that option.
    o Yudi’s brothers had the option of not standing by his acceptance of playing dhyut, staking them and Draupadi. Alas but they did not choose this option.
    o They had the option of quitting slavery to save their and Draupadi’s honour but they did not chose this option.
    o Arjun had the option of attacking Bhishma himself in one on one battle owing to his prowess but he chose Shikhandi.
    o Yudi had the option of speaking truth to Drona about his son’s death but he chose to tell a lie.
    o Arjun had the option of waiting for Karna to be in a position to save himself but he did not chose this option.
    o Arjun had the option and capability to use other bow for fighting and averting dacoits attack but he chose to cry over his failed Gandiva.

    1. I had the option of ignoring the above post of Sanjay, but i chose to read this post which contains a “Village thinking” of Sanjay bhai, because i didnt want to miss the chance to laugh on Sanjay’s village thinking…. Ha…ha….ha….

      By the way Sanjay bhai(& Smarty), why the hell Bhishma, drona, karna, aswatthama etc participated from Duryo’s side in MB war if they never wanted to kill Pandavas ????? Kindly throw your village light on this question….. Or you have some disagreement with Smarty on this issue ?????

  17. Whaaaat….???? When did Niraj gave any recent example of Rajsuya Yagya ???? I am still waiting for those example of Rajsuya Yagya/Vaishana Yagya, Swayamwar like Draupadi’s, Mace fighting etc…..

  18. guys do you think , drona, karna aswatthama wanted to kill abhimanyu?

    reading again and again it gives me the opinion that none of them wanted.

    drona said:

    If you wish, deprive him of his car, and divest him of his bow.’

    1. Offcourse Smarty…. drona, karna, aswatthama never wanted to kill abhimanyu, Arjun, Bhima, Satyaki, Drishtdyumna etc, because they all loved Pandavas & they never wanted Pandavas’ defeat & they participated from Duryo’s side only for Time-pass & to cheat Duryo, even though they all had the option of not to participate in MB war…… Ha…ha…ha…ha….

      By the way, you havent yet given the examples of Rajsuya Yagya & Vaishnava Yagya in recent history…. so should i consider them as supernatural ?????

      1. at least i have given you the proof of aswamedha yagna and Niraj bhai has given you rajasuya yagna .

        where is your proof?

  19. sachin this for you,

    The Varman dynasty (350-650), the first historical rulers of Kamarupa; was established by Pushya Varman, a contemporary of Samudragupta.[2][3] This dynasty became vassals of the Gupta Empire, but as the power of the Guptas waned, Mahendra Varman (470-494) performed two horse sacrifices and threw off the imperial yoke.[4] The first of the three Kamarupa dynasties, the Varmans were followed by the Mlechchha and then the Pala dynasties.

    The genealogy of the Varman dynasty appears most fully in the Dubi and Nidhanpur copper plate inscriptions of the last Varman king, Bhaskar Varman (650-655), where Pushya Varman is named the founder. The Dubi copper plate inscription of Bhaskar Varman asserts that Pushya Varman was born in the family of Naraka, Bhagadatta and Vajradatta[5] (as did the other two Kamarupa dynasties)[6] three thousand years after these mythical ancestors.[7] The middle or Mlechha (Mech) dynasty, though claim same descent, are native tribal rulers.[8] K.L. Barua opines that there was a Mlechha (i.e., Mech) revolt in Kamarupa and Salastambha, the leader or governor of the Mlecchas usurped the throne by deposing Bhaskar Varman’s immediate successor Avanti Varman.[9]

    The dynasty traces its lineage from legendary Naraka, an immigrant from Aryavarta[10] (land of Aryans).[11]

    Historical documents and legends are contradictory[12] on the ethnicity of this dynasty. Naraka, according to an early account was the son of an asura named Hiranksha and Bhumi (Earth).[13] In the late 10th-century Kalika Purana, Naraka is said to be the son of Vishnu in his Varaha form and Bhumi, who grew up in household of Janaka.[13] The Kalika Purana goes on to describe two Narakas: one who was religious and the other who was hostile to Brahminism.[14] The relationship of Bhagadatta, also mentioned as an ancestor of the Varmans, with Naraka is not clear from legendary sources either: Bhagadatta is called a grandson (Kalika Purana), a son (Bhagavata Purana) or not specified at all (Mahabharata, Harivamsha and Vishnu Purana).[14] In the Mahabharata, a much earlier text, Bhagadatta, the son of Naraka is mentioned as Mleccha,[15] an appellation used for non-Indo-Aryans. All three Kamarupa dynasties draw their lineage from Naraka and Bhagadatta.

    Yuan Chwang called Bhaskar Varman a Brahman king who originated with Narayana Deva.[16] On the other hand, Bhaskar Varman boasts of different ancestary when work with other countries, like he told She-Kia-Fang-Che that his ancestors hailed from China, four thousand years ago, flying through air as holy spirit.[17][18] Sylvain writes, “At the time of Hiuan-tsang’s visit King Bhaskaravarman, was “a descendant of the God Narayana” ; he was “of the caste of the Brahman, as,” and had the title of ” Kumara.” “Since the possession of the kingdom by his family up to his time, the succession of princes covers a space of a thousand generations” (Mem.II,77.)The evidence of his contemporary Bana (Harsacarita, chap. VII) confirms almost all these details. Finally we possess since a few years ago an inscription of King Bhaskaravarman (Nidhanpur plates,Ep.Ind.,XII,65), which takes back the genealogy up to King Bhagadatta, the famous adversary of the by a long list of ancestors. However, when he had business with others than Indians, the same prince boasted of another origin altogether. When the envoy of the T’ang dynasty, Li Yi-piao, paid him a visit during the course of his mission (643-646) the king in a private conversation told him: “the royal family has handed down its power for 4,000 years. The first was a holy spirit which came from China (Han-ti) flying through the air.” (She-kia fang tche, ed. Tok. XXXV, 1, 94b, col. ult.) As though he would show sympathy for China, he asked the envoy to get him a portrait of Lao-tseu and a Sanskrit translation of the Tao-to-king. (She-kia fang tche, ed. Tok. XXXV, 1, 94b, col. ult.).[18]

    Many scholars, including Kamarupa Anusandhan Samiti have speculated that the Varman dynasty as the first Indo-Aryan dynasty in Assam, that was overthrown by Salastambha of Mongoloid origin, who then made himself the king of Kamarupa.[19][20][21]

    Suniti Kumar Chatterjee calls Bhaskar Varman a mleccha king,[22] though scholars established that only middle dynasty of Haruppeshwara (Tezpur) is of mleccha or non-Aryan origin.[8] Urban terms all kings of Brahmaputra Valley as non-Aryans.[23] Kanak Lal Barua refutes any extra Aryan origin of dynasty. In his “Early History Of Kamarupa”, he writes, “Suffice is to say that he (Bhaskar Varman) was Hindu by religion spreading light of Arya Dharma though he has great preverence for learned Buddhist priests and professors of his time and was distinctly inclined towards Buddhism. The text of his message to Silabhadra leave no doubt in this point. The very high functions allotted to him during the famous religious assembly at Kanauj by the Hindu emperor Sri Harsha proves that he was not a Hindu of despised low caste. He was undoubtedly looked upon as a good Kshatriya, as his surname Varma indicates, whatever might have been his origin. In any case he was certainly not a Hinduized Koch. All the kings of his dynasty beginning from Pushya Varman were Kshatriya monarchs. When Yuan Chwang visited the kingdom he found hundreds of Hindu temples there and evidently there were large numbers of Brahmans and other high caste Hindus living within the kingdom which was a seat of learning that people of other countries came there for study”[24]

    The most illustrious of this dynasty was the last, Bhaskar Varman, who claimed be a descendant from god Vishnu and referred to as “lord of eastern India”. He accompanied King Harshavardhana to religious processions from Patliputra to Kannauj.[25]

    Kings of Varman dynasty maintained both diplomatic and matrimonial relations with other countries of Aryavarta. Pushya Varman who himself named after king Pusyamitra Sunga, named his son Samudra Varman after king Samudragupta in appreciations of kings of Aryavarta. King Bala Varman organised Swayamvara for his daughter Amrita Prabha; which was attended by princes of different countries. Princess eventually chosen prince of Kashmir Meghavahana as her groom. The alliance between king Harsha of Thanesar and Bhaskar Varman lead to spread of political influence of later to entire eastern India.

  20. @Dhruv,

    This is what I have been doing after writing my post in “Leave a Reply” box-

    I have been mentioning my email id.
    I have been mentioning my name.
    I do not mention anything in Website box.
    I have been ticking “Notify me of follow-up comments via email”.
    I have been ticking “Notify me of new posts via email”.
    In the end I have been clicking “Post Comment” box to complete the process.

    Still I do not get any notifications in my email id since new set up have been launched. Am I still missing something?

  21. @ Dhruv,

    I have been mentioning my email id in Nitification box as usual still I do not get post unpdations…

    Could you please elaborate “writing article for blog”? I mean is it one time or on regular basis? Is it paid opportunity? Article on choosen / distributed topics or by one’s own choice etc…etc….?

    1. Article will be free and you can write on Any Topic related to Mahabharata.

      When you comment, you have to check the check box and then you will receive an email for confirmation. After confirming you will receive emails

  22. @ Smarty,

    Your statement-”you should not feel anything for us, some Varman dynasty conducted aswamedha yagna.”

    My ans- Can you tell me the source of information because i doubt it….. And what about Rajsuya Yagya, Vaishanava Yagya, etc ?????

    Your statement-”mace fighting is not a sign of progress made by science . got that. mace fighting was substituted by much improvised version of later on.”

    My ans- Exactly….. Similalry, Sonic weapons finds no use in today’s much advanced arsenal of military, because their effectiveness is doubtfull…. It can be nullified by a soldier wearing an Ear plug….. Another example to prove this is that Dristdyumna fired the Sammohan weapon at Mb war, but still it could not stupify whole Kuru army…. Reason may be due to large battlefield of Kurukshetra & short range of Sammohan weapon….. So why would today’s militarly waste their time in developing such weapons with so many drawbacks…. Actually it was Arjun’s mastery that he used the Sammohan weapon with utmost effect at the right time & at the right place…. but still he could not stupify Bhishma….

    Your statement-”but using conch to make human statute can never become redundant.it is technology which is desperately needed.

    My ans- All the souls of scientists like Einstien, Newton etc must have been pulling their hairs after knowing your EXPERT views & your science knowledge….. Ha..ha..ha…ha…

    Your statement-”where did arjuna defeat karna before Virat?”

    My ans- Arjun defeated Karna at Draupadi Swayamwar…..

  23. @ Knowledgeable Sachin,

    Why are you hell bent on confirming something which we all know about you by now?

    I am MATURE enough to understand and request everyone not to EDIT or CUT respectable MB as per their fancies. Either we try to understand it as it is or stop going on fantasy voyages ever now and then using our limited mental capabilities. The most MATURED way would be to try to find reasons why so much non-scientific things are such integral parts of MB instead of refuting them.
    Please get this thing very clear in your over-used head that what was valid or happening 5000 years back may not be true for present day. If you try to evaluate everything based on what you know today then you will surely appear comedian.
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    My 1st statement-”Please quote me when I said that Virat war is being refuted by me because it is SUPERNATURAL..”
    My 2nd statement-“Virat war in this blog is remembered as supernatural, interpolation and glorification.”
    My 3rd statement – “YES I wrote that statement….did I write SUPERNATURAL only???? Why the hell did you miss GLORIFICATION & INTERPOLATION??”
    Comment – I repeat “DID YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE or YOU HAVE DECIDED TO CONFIRM YOUR DUMBNESS?”
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    My statement-”it is SINGLE MAN show which very much falls either under GLORIFICATION or INTERPOLATION.”
    Your ans- Firstly, you are no one to refute practical discription of Vyas MB, becuase you are not bigger than Vyas…. And If you think that the 40 page description of Viraat war is an Interpolation, then buddy you have got serious issues of your IMMATURE UNDERSTANDING…… And what do you say about 4 line descriptions of Karna defeating Jarasandh & Karna defeating all kings at Swayamwar of Duryo’s wife with a single arrow in Vyas MB…. Isnt it an Interpolation ?? A coward warrior like Karna, who ran away from most of his wars, is not expected to give such performances…..
    And about GLORIFICATIONS, firstly go & read the meaning of GLORIFICATION from a standard dictionary & then talk about it…… And in the context of Mb it means that a warrior is praised & glorified by the author or other character of MB as if he is the best warrior BUT without the support of actual events of his brillant performances…… So the term GLORIFICATION is implied to people like Bhishma, drona, Karna etc because they have been praised & potrayed as invincible warrrior in MB but their performances throughout MB are nowhere close to the best warrior….. But in case of Arjun, he may be glorified at some places but his Glorifications are supported by his brilliant performances & victories….. & Viraat war is one such actual war event, hence you cannot term it as a glorification of Arjun…..

    My reply – If 200-250 pages in the beginning of MB can be NON-SENSE as declared by you (when I started reading MB) then why can just 40 pages out of same MB not be so?? If glorification of these warriors is all cock and bull story then glorification of best inspite of their brilliant performances is neither worth praising nor command attention. Since all other warriors did nothing so best exceeding them is like andhon mein kana raja which no one has problem in accepting…Why it was described in 40 pages or in 4 lines can be answered by Ved Vyas only…but then you pitted even him against your Scientific vichaar-dhara so even that will also go out of contention. Now please do not tell me that world is looking at you to salvage its understanding of MB……!!
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    Your statement-”Vyas himself has written whole MB including what you keep refuting. So do not give me this sheepish EXCUSE of who is bigger than Vyas and who is not”
    My ans- Yes, you & me are not bigger than Vyas when it comes to MB, BUT Vyas is not bigger than the Laws of Nature which are made by the God himself, hence Vyas has no authority to defy the Laws of nature in his MB book…. So i have all the right to refute Vyas’s supernatural events BUT you have no authority to refute the practical event of MB because they are not supernatural……

    My reply – Your ENGLISH thought process is saying MB should have been written either by Newton or Galileo or Einstein or Edison or somebody else who could write verifiable and practical MB instead of Ved Vyas who did not know what he was writing…?? No wonder you are one of your kind….!!
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    Your statement-”We have been talking about MB and you have been ranting hysterically with scientific knowledge. It is you who always go on scientific voyage even at the expense of what Vyas has written. And when you return back you start blaming others of not following MB… who gave the RUBBISH logic of SONIC WEAPONS being present today? You, me or Ved Vyas??”
    My ans- Immature arguements…. Whether Sonic weapons are present today or not, it does not make any difference because it does not make them supernatural because its mechanism can be explained Scientifically….. And by your rubbish logic even all the Military Yagyas(Ashwamedh Yagya, Rajsuya Yagya etc), Fighting with maces, Typical Swayamwar rules(like that of Draupadi Swayamwar), Celestial weapons which could emit 100′s of arrows simultaneously….. etc ….etc.. becomes supernatural becase you cannot give any example of their existence in recent history…. so Grow up Sanjay…..

    My reply – There was a time when Newton and Einstein were not born but we still had same things happening. Going by your logic if something can be explained scientifically then only it is possible otherwise it is not possible??…..I repeat you are one of your kind.
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    Your statement-”I put a counter question to your invalid counter question – which king is fighting with which king these days to make your question make sense???? Forget about military yagas in these days!”
    My ans- Immature question again…. One King fighting with other kings has been seen in our documented history of last 2000 years but Military Yagyas(Ashwamedh Yagya, Rajsuya Yagya etc), Fighting with maces, Typical Swayamwar rules(like that of Draupadi Swayamwar), Celestial weapons which could emit 100′s of arrows simultaneously etc … etc… have not been seen in our documented history, so does it make them Supernatural ?????
    I advice you Sanjay bhai to stop behaving like a dumb & immature kid, otherwise you will make further MOCKERY of yourself in this blog of MATURED people ….. Ha..ha…ha…ha….. Ha..ha…ha…ha….. Ha..ha…ha…ha….. Ha..ha…ha…ha….. Ha..ha…ha…ha….. Ha..ha…ha…ha…..

    My reply – I have just discussed above in my replies the depth of MATURITY of MATURE people in this blog….I hope they continue maintaining the same…..should they have any problem in doing so let me know since I know how to expose their MATURITY as and when required.
    HHHHhhhhhhAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa!