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  1. Niraj – When gandhari can curse Krishna why cant Indra bless Krishna ?

    Sanjay – Yeah, being in human form Krishna can be cursed and given boon, I agree. A spiritual personality taking curse for defusing karmic burden of his/her worshipper/beloved ones is understandable BUT ASKING boon for personal consumption is little confusing. As far as I know no such personality ever ASKED for a boon. Yes they have been given boons by somebody as token of appreciation or for well defined purpose.
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    Smarty,

    I had also shared this passage. I have read Yugas description at many places. The figures and other details may vary but bottomline is same i.e. deterioration of physical, mental, ethical and spiritual capabilities with changing of yugas is common in all of them. In few of such sources of information, I read the timeline of humans, devas and other higher regions are different. For e.g. our 6 months are one day of Devas and another 6 months complete their 24 hours.

    Passage – “The Varsha known as Haimavat is superior to Bharatavarsha, while Harivarsha is superior to Hainavatvarsha, in respect of all qualities”

    Sanjay – As shared earlier also in one of my posts, Varsha is the region or space defined by Rishi Markandey. Bharatvarsha, I suppose, is our physical creation / earth. The other names should be higher planes of creation which are non-physical in nature and make. They have some unique and extraordinary descriptions which our brain cannot perceive.

  2. “Sanjaya said,–‘O bull of Bharata’s race, four Yugas set in Bharata’s Varsha, viz., Krita, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali. The Yuga that sets in first is Krita. O Lord; after the expiry of Krita comes Treta; after expiry of Treta comes Dwapara; and after that last of all, sets in Kali. Four thousand years, O best of the Kurus, are reckoned as the measure of life, O best of kings, in the Krita epoch. Three thousand years is the period in Treta, O ruler of men. At present in Dwapara, persons live on Earth for two thousand years. In Kali, however, O bull of Bharata’s race, there is no fixed limit of life’s measure, in so much that men die while in the womb, as also soon after birth. In the Krita age, O king, men are born and beget children, by hundreds and thousands, that are of great strength and great power, endued with the attribute of great wisdom, and possessed of wealth and handsome features. In that age are born and begotten Munis endued with wealth of asceticism, capable of great exertion, possessed of high souls, and virtuous, and truthful in speech. The Kshatriyas also, born in that age are of agreeable features, able-bodied, possessed of great energy, accomplished in the use of the bow, highly skilled in battle and exceedingly brave. In the Treta age, O king, all the Kshatriya kings were emperors ruling from sea to sea. In Treta are

    begotten brave Kshatriyas not subject to any one, endued with long lives, possessed of heroism, and wielding the bow in battle with great skill. When Dwapara sets in, O king, all the (four) orders born become capable of great exertion, endued with great energy, and desirous of conquering one another. The men born in Kali, O king, are endued with little energy, highly wrathful, covetous, and untruthful. Jealousy, pride, anger, deception, malice and covetousness, O Bharata, are the attributes of creatures in the Kali age. The portion that remains, O king, of this the Dwapara age, is small, O ruler of men. The Varsha known as Haimavat is superior to Bharatavarsha, while Harivarsha is superior to Hainavatvarsha, in respect of all qualities.’

  3. Sanjay your question “Krishna asking for boon of eternal friendship and Indra granting boon to Krishna”
    My ans why not ? When gandhari can curse Krishna why cant Indra bless Krishna ? Rama prayed to Varuna. He did not come voh baat alaga hai but had he can on his own Rama would have got blessing as a result of his prayer.

  4. And these are the passage of Karna not expecting pandavas
    “Karna addressed the king, saying, ‘Susarman hath spoken well; the opportunity is favourable and promises to be profitable to us. Therefore, if it pleases thee, O sinless one, let us, drawing up our forces in battle array and marshalling them in divisions, speedily set out. Or, let the expedition be managed as Saradwata’s son Kripa, the preceptor Drona, and the wise and aged grandsire of the Kurus may think. Consulting with each other, let us, O lord of earth, speedily set out to attain our end. What business have we with the sons of Pandu, destitute as they are of wealth, might, and prowess? They have either disappeared for good or have gone to the abode of Yama? We will, O king, repair without anxiety to Virata’s city

  5. Sachin Sanjays statement “US dropped atom bombs on Japanese cities on 6th and 9th August 1945 and not with a gap of 10-12 days….Virat War – Not supernatural….???????
    My ans bang on target. Virat yudha supernatural stands as ever as arjuna fought with bows and arrows openly did not throw something at a safe distance far far away. Arrows are not bombs. Trading bombs also are done from long distance NOT standing between other bomb wielders. Virat yudha is as follows. Arjuna with equipment enters a large range of warriors of same equipment and between them fights and defeats them. If I enter an range of people with laathis and I have an machine gun with me obviously those people will be defeated by me. It does not make me superior. Give them also machine guns and I with machine gun defeat them without guerilla warfare only then it makes virata yudha possible and me superior.

    Sachin ans- Ha..ha..ha… Niraj caught his own tongue here….. You asked for an example of one man defeating an army & i gave you one man destroying whole city & its army(Heroshima)…. And now you are finding this example as “Insignificant” just because it made you eat your own words here….!! Very funny…. And this examplem is cannot be equatd with attack on Rajiv Gandhi or osama bin laden bombing world trade centre, because these 2 attacks were not carried out in full fledged wars, but US attacked Japan in full fledged wars & Japan knew about it before hand…. Further US first bombed Hiroshima & then he warned Japan to surrender, otherwise more cities will be nuked, but Japan did not surrender, hence US then bombed Nagasaki after some 10 to 12 days of Hiroshima bombing & Japan could not stop one US fighter pilot from doing so…..

    My ans – Japan knew beforehand USA is attacking as war was fully declared in that time zone. Ha ha ha ha Sachin got caught in his own tongue. Karna was not expecting arjuna there at virata as Japan was expecting USA. Nor was he expecting gandharvas.Nor was he expecting the brahmin at draupadis swayamvar to be arjuna and it was not a full fledged war. If USA attacks vietnam it will go with preparation with vietnam in mind. Unknown to USA if china is supporting vietnam and a USA fighter pilots gets repulsed because it was taken into account as attack on vietnam in mind then that does not make china superior to USA. Or Indian police goes in a terriortary expecting some low level thugs with ordinary weapons. It will go with that in mind. If one of those thugs has an AK -47 or is reputed bomb thrower at that stage it will repell the Indian Police in that battle zone. It does not make Indian Police inferior.

    Sachins ans- You are right… Mere possessing or firing a powerful bomb does not make a fool great… But achieving victory does make him great… Just like Karna fired many super power weapons like Bhargavastra, Nagastra, Vasavi etc but still he could not win the war…. So by your own logic, Karna was the bloody fool…. But US fighter pilot & Arjun produced victories in their respective wars, hence they are great…..
    So you have ran out of rubbish EXCUSES to prove Viraat war as supernatural… Hence i won here….
    My ans – And we know why karna could not produce results. Krishna was protecting him. And by the way just proove arjunas arrows were equal to bombs. You have to equate you examples with relevance.
    Sachins ans- Wrong comparison….. Ram killed Bali….. But Arjun did not kill Karna there, but he only scared the hell out of Karna to make him run away…. Arjun also did not kill Bhurisrav… Bhurisrav was killed by Satyaki, hence no victory for Arjun here, because Bhurisrav did not run away from Arjun there…… But Karna had the option to attack back at Arjun but he chose to RAN AWAY, hence defeated…. And you have already credited this victory to the account of Arjun, hence matter closed…..

    My ans – As regards bhurishravas example its arjunas unofficial butting in like a cheat which was made clear that he was only a meddler not a victor.Ditto for the karna example. Karna due to fighting lightly with bhima was at that time exhausted as bhima though inferior was more or less equal to karna. Hence the example stands.

    Sachins ans- Well, you couldnt give any counter arguement in this regard, hence i won here…. Matter closed…..

    My ans matter closed vaali baat to aage aa rahee hai

    See the below passages.
    These are the passages of karna cutting abhimanyus bow Vikartana’s son Karna quickly cut off, by means of his shafts, the bow of Abhimanyu, as the latter was shooting with great activity. He, of Bhoja’s race (viz., Kritavarman) then slew his steeds, and Kripa slew his two Parshni charioteers. THE OTHERS COVERED HIM WITH SHOWERS OF ARROWS AFTER HE HAD BEEN DIVESTED OF HIS BOW. ( Readers others covered him with showers of arrows AFTER KARNA CUT HIS BOW HENCE WHEN KARNA CUT HIS BOW IT WAS ON HIS OWN STEAM. THOSE GUYS CAME AFTER THE EVENT AS THE PASSAGE SHOWS. Horses and charioteer also were attacked after the bow was cut.

  6. Arjun performing in Rangshala:

    “Vaisampayana continued, ‘When the spectators, excited with delight, had somewhat regained their equanimity, Vibhatsu began to display his lightness in the use of weapons. By the AGNEYA WEAPON, HE CREATED FIRE, and by the Varuna weapon he created water, by the VAYAVYA WEAPON, he created air, and by the Parjanya weapon he created clouds. And by the Bhauma weapon, he created land, and by the Parvatya weapon, he brought mountains into being. By the Antardhana weapon all these were made to disappear.”

    Indra granting weapons to Arjun after Khandav-dah:

    “Even for thy austere asceticism I will give thee all my WEAPONS OF FIRE and all my VAYAVYA WEAPONS, and thou also wilt accept them all of me.”

    My confusion is how many such FIRE & VAYAVYA WEAPONS were given to Arjun and which ones did he use in Kurukshetra war? Were they all different from the previous ones he already had?
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    Another one from Khandav-dah:

    “THEN VASUDEVA ASKED THAT HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH ARJUNA MIGHT BE ETERNAL. THE CHIEF OF THE CELESTIALS GRANTED UNTO THE INTELLIGENT KRISHNA THE BOON HE DESIRED. And having granted these boons unto Krishna and Arjuna”

    Krishna asking for boon of eternal friendship and Indra granting boon to Krishna ??????

  7. US dropped atom bombs on Japanese cities on 6th and 9th August 1945 and not with a gap of 10-12 days….

    Virat War – Not supernatural….???????

  8. Drona had met abhimanyu twice under bhisma parva and he stopped him quite conveniently , this is the summary of what he did.

    And the Kekaya princes, and Bhimasena, and Subhadra’s son and Ghatotkacha and Yudhishthira, and the twins (Nakula and Sahadeva), and the ruler of the Matsyas, and the son of Drupada, and the (five) sons of Draupadi, all filled with joy, and Dhrishtaketu, and Satyaki, and the wrathful Chitrasena, and the mighty car-warrior, Yuyutsu, and many other kings,

    O monarch, who followed the sons of Pandu, all achieved diverse feats in keeping with their lineage and prowess. Beholding then that host protected in that battle by those Pandava warriors, Bharadwaja’s son, turning his eyes in wrath, cast his looks upon it. Inflamed with rage, that warrior, invincible in battle, consumed, as he stood upon his car, the Pandava host like the tempest destroying vast masses of clouds. Rushing on all sides at car-warriors and steeds and foot-soldiers and elephants, Drona furiously careered over the field like a young man, though bearing the weight of years. His red steeds, fleet as the wind, and of excellent breed, covered with blood, O king, assumed a beautiful appearance. Beholding that hero of regulated vows, felling them like Yama himself inflamed with wrath, the soldiers of Yudhishthira fled away on all sides. And as some fled away and other rallied, as some looked at him and others stayed on the field, the noise they made was fierce and terrible. And that noise causing delight to heroes and enhancing the fears of the timid, filled the whole sky and the earth. And once more Drona, uttering his own name in battle, made himself exceedingly fierce, scattering hundreds of arrows among the

    foes. Indeed, the mighty Drona, though old, yet acting like a young man, careered like Death himself, O sire, amid the divisions of Pandu’s son. That fierce warrior cutting off heads and arms decked with ornaments, made the terraces of many cars empty and uttered leonine roars. And in consequence of those joyous shouts of his, as also of the force of his shafts, the warriors, O lord, (of the hostile army) trembled like a herd of cows afflicted by cold. And in consequence of the rattle of his car and the stretching of his bow-string and the twang of his bow, the whole welkin resounded with a loud noise. And the shaft., of that hero, coursing in thousands from his bow, and enveloping all the points of the compass, fell upon the elephants and steeds and cars and foot-soldiers (of the enemy). Then the Panchalas and the Pandavas boldly approached Drona, who, armed with his bow of great force, resembled a fire having weapons for its flames. Then with their elephants and foot-soldiers and steeds he began to despatch them unto the abode of Yama. And Drona made the earth miry with blood. Scattering his mighty weapons and shooting his shafts thick on every side, Drona soon so covered all the points of the compass, that nothing could be seen except his showers of arrows. And among foot-soldiers and cars and steeds and elephants nothing could be seen save Drona’s arrows. The standard of his car was all that could be seen, moving like flashes of lightning amid the cars. 1 Of soul incapable of being depressed, Drona then, armed with bow and arrows, afflicted the five princes of Kekaya and the ruler of the Panchalas and then rushed against the division of Yudhishthira.

    Then Bhimasena and Dhananjaya and the grandson of Sini, and the sons of Drupada, and the ruler of Kasi, viz., the son of Saivya, and Sivi himself, cheerfully and with loud roars covered him with their arrows. Shafts in thousands, decked with wings of gold, shot from Drona’s bow, piercing through the bodies of the elephants and the young horses of those warriors, entered the earth, their feathers dyed with blood. The field of battle, strewn with cars and the prostrate forms of large bands of warriors, and of elephants and steeds mangled with shafts, looked like the welkin covered with masses of black clouds. Then Drona, desirous of the prosperity of thy sons, having thus crushed the divisions of Satyaki, and Bhima, and Dhananjaya and Subhadra’s son and Drupada, and the ruler of the Kasi, and having ground many other heroes in battle,

    indeed, that high-souled warrior, having achieved these and many other feats, and havingO chief of the Kurus, scorched the world like the Sun himself as he rises at the end of the Yuga, proceeded hence, O monarch, to heaven. That hero possessed of golden car, that grinder of hostile hosts, having achieved mighty feats and slain in thousands the warriors of the Pandava host in battle, hath at last been himself slain by Dhrishtadyumna. Having, in fact, slain more than two Akshauhinis of brave and unreturning warriors, that hero endued with intelligence, at last, attained to the highest state. Indeed, O king, having

    achieved the most difficult feats, he hath, at last, been slain by the Pandavas and the Panchalas of cruel deeds.

  9. @ Niraj,

    Your statement-“Any bloody fool can drop a bomb that idiot is not attributed with glory. By this logic the killer of Rajiv Gandhi also gets award for bravery. Ditto for osama bin laden for bombing world trade centre. Arjuna did not drop bomb he allegedly repulsed the battalion with bows and arrows and hence virat yudha is supernatural.”

    My ans- Ha..ha..ha… Niraj caught his own tongue here….. You asked for an example of one man defeating an army & i gave you one man destroying whole city & its army(Heroshima)…. And now you are finding this example as “Insignificant” just because it made you eat your own words here….!! Very funny…. And this examplem is cannot be equatd with attack on Rajiv Gandhi or osama bin laden bombing world trade centre, because these 2 attacks were not carried out in full fledged wars, but US attacked Japan in full fledged wars & Japan knew about it before hand…. Further US first bombed Hiroshima & then he warned Japan to surrender, otherwise more cities will be nuked, but Japan did not surrender, hence US then bombed Nagasaki after some 10 to 12 days of Hiroshima bombing & Japan could not stop one US fighter pilot from doing so…..

    Your statement-“Any bloody fool can drop a bomb that idiot is not attributed with glory.”

    My ans- You are right… Mere possessing or firing a powerful bomb does not make a fool great… But achieving victory does make him great… Just like Karna fired many super power weapons like Bhargavastra, Nagastra, Vasavi etc but still he could not win the war…. So by your own logic, Karna was the bloody fool…. But US fighter pilot & Arjun produced victories in their respective wars, hence they are great…..

    So you have ran out of rubbish EXCUSES to prove Viraat war as supernatural… Hence i won here….

    Your statement-“Rama killing Vali while engaging with sugriva is not defeat for vali bhurishrava engaged with satyaki arjuna firing arrow is makes arjuna a meddler not victor. Ditto for the bhima karna duel.”

    My ans- Wrong comparison….. Ram killed Bali….. But Arjun did not kill Karna there, but he only scared the hell out of Karna to make him run away…. Arjun also did not kill Bhurisrav… Bhurisrav was killed by Satyaki, hence no victory for Arjun here, because Bhurisrav did not run away from Arjun there…… But Karna had the option to attack back at Arjun but he chose to RAN AWAY, hence defeated…. And you have already credited this victory to the account of Arjun, hence matter closed…..

    Your statement-“Why cant you do that. ? Your standard operating procedure of sending us on wild goose chase is well known. Those who are reading this will go there and see how you backed out of active debate and got defeated.”

    My ans- Well, you couldnt give any counter arguement in this regard, hence i won here…. Matter closed…..

  10. Sujal – Absolute karna fan trying to complicate even Mahadeva words.
    The words clearly says daughter of Kasi can not be male immediate but only when she takes new birth as a male she can be male only by birth.
    And soon when she knew she can not be male in this life she jumps into fire without wasting time.
    But Karna fans can not justify acts of Karna so they want to unjustify acts of Arjuna.
    But that is only what they have left with them to justify Karna and that is try and change the meaning of what is actually written.
    And for any complaints please go to Mahadeva because it was his boon and not of Arjuna. For me Mahadevas boon can never be deceitful

    Sanjay – It is not me who is complicating words. Instead you are mixing two distant sentences and drawing conclusion. See the sequence of conversation. Anyhow Smarty has posted relevant passages to negate your conclusion.

    How is admiration for Karna related with Shikhandi becoming man or born as woman? How can Karna be justified or not justified when we are discussing Shikhandi, Arjun and Bhishma?

    I carry no complaints. You claimed Shikhandi killed Bhishma but Bhishma said otherwise. Both the things are mentioned in same MB written by same Ved Vyas. So either there is something wrong with what you understood or Lord Shiva’s saying or Bhishma’s saying or Ved Vyas.

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    Sujal – If any deceit was there than it was deceit used by Mahdeva and not Arjuna. So please go and compalint to Mahadeva about it as he gave that boon and not Arjuna

    Sanjay – You claimed that Arjun EXECUTED Shiva’s boon and now you are ready to blame Shiva but not Arjun for deceit. This is called a FAN at his best…..ha…ha..ha….ha….!!

    Smarty,

    Thanks for posting passages on Shikhandi

  11. Smarty the Shloka is from MB only i just checked. But I defer about the meaning derived from it that Drona asked Karna to attack from behind. There is some doubt there.

  12. I am not confused the boon of Shiva was he will be born as a male and will slay Bhishma. Do you mean shiva gave a deceitful boon ??

    If he was female than why every other warrior except Bhishma and including Karna fought with Shikhandin ??

    becs no one knew the origin of Shikhandi except Bhisma, they knew Shikhandi to be a male . and he was male at Kurukshetra . Bhisma was much older and had a guilt and knew it was only option to get rid of his miseries .

    Regarding your slokas for Abhimanyu i do not think they are from original version because as per my knowledge there is no mention in MB that Karna attacked abhimanyu from behind. The mention is only of joint attack from all sides.

    Can you please provide the source of the sloka.

    sujal,

    they are not providing me that, i will inquire one more time before them.

    this is full story ,

    “Bhishma said, ‘Hearing, O bull of Bharata’s race, those words of Sikhandini, afflicted by destiny, that Yaksha, said after reflecting in his mind, these words, ‘Indeed, it was ordained to be so, and, O Kaurava, it was ordained for my grief!’ The Yaksha said, ‘O Blessed lady, I will certainly do what thou wishest! Listen, however, to the condition I make. For a certain period I will give thee my manhood. Thou must, however, come back to me in due time. Pledge thyself to do so! Possessed of immense power, I am a ranger of the skies, wandering at my pleasure, and capable of accomplishing whatever I intend. Through my grace, save the city and thy kinsmen wholly! I will bear thy womanhood, O princess! Pledge thy truth to me, I will do what is agreeable to thee!’ Thus addressed, Sikhandini said unto him, ‘O holy one of excellent vows, I will give thee back thy manhood! O wanderer of the night, bear thou my womanhood for a short time! After the ruler of the Dasarnakas who is cased in a golden mail will have departed (from my city) I will once more become a maiden and thou wilt become a man!’

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    “Bhishma continued, ‘Having said this (unto each other), they both. O king, made a covenant, and imparted unto each other’s body their sexes. And the Yaksha Sthuna, O Bharata, became a female, while Sikhandini obtained the blazing form of the Yaksha. Then, O king, Sikhandini of Panchala’s race, having obtained manhood, entered his city in great joy and approached his father. And he represented unto Drupada everything that had happened. And Drupada, bearing it all became highly glad. And along with his wife the king recollected the words of Maheswara. And he forthwith sent, O king, messenger unto the ruler of the Dasarnakas, saying, ‘This my child is a male. Let it be believed by thee!’ The king of the Dasarnakas meanwhile, filled with sorrow and grief, suddenly approached Drupada, the ruler of the Panchalas. And arrived at Kampilya, the Dasarnaka king despatched, after paying him proper honours, an envoy who was one of the foremost of those conversant with the Vedas. And he addressed the envoy, saying, ‘Instructed by me, O messenger, say unto that worst of kings the ruler of the Panchalas, these words,–viz., O thou of wicked understanding, having selected my daughter as a wife for one who is thy daughter, thou shalt today, without doubt, behold the fruit of that act of deception.’ Thus addressed and despatched by him, O best of kings, the Brahmana set out for Drupada’s city as Dasarnaka’s envoy. And having arrived at the city, the priest went unto Drupada’s presence. The king of the Panchalas then, with Sikhandin, offered the envoy, O king, a cow and honey. The Brahmana, however, without accepting that worship, said unto him these words that had been communicated through him by the brave ruler of the Dasarnakas who was cased in a golden mail. And he said, ‘O thou of vile behaviours, I have been deceived by thee through thy daughter (as the means)! I will exterminate thee with thy counsellors and sons and kinsmen!’ Having, in the midst of his counsellors, been made by that priest to hear those words fraught with censure and uttered by the ruler of the Dasarnakas, king Drupada then, O chief of Bharata’s race, assuming a mild behaviour from motives of friendship, ‘said, The reply to these words of my brother that thou hast said unto me, O Brahmana, will be carried to that monarch by my envoy!’ And king Drupada then, sent unto the high-souled Hiranyavarman a Brahmana learned in the Vedas as his envoy. And that envoy, going unto king Hiranyavarman, the ruler of the Dasarnakas, said unto him, ‘O monarch, the word that Drupada had entrusted him with.’ And he said, ‘This my child is really a male. Let it be made clear by means of witness! Somebody has spoken falsely to thee. That should not be believed!’ Then the king of the Dasarnakas, having heard the words of Drupada, was filled with sorrow and despatched a number of young ladies of great beauty for ascertaining whether Sikhandin was a male or female. Despatched by him, those ladies, having ascertained (the truth) joyfully told the king of the Dasarnakas everything, viz., that Sikhandin, O chief of the Kurus, was a powerful person of the masculine sex. Hearing that testimony, the ruler

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    of the Dasarnakas was filled with great joy, and wending then unto his brother Drupada, passed a few days with him in joy. And the king, rejoiced as he was, gave unto Sikhandin much wealth, many elephants and steeds and kine. And worshipped by Drupada (as long as he stayed), the Dasarnaka king then departed, having rebuked his daughter. And after king Hiranyavarman, the ruler of the Dasarnakas had departed in joy and with his anger quelled, Sikhandin began to rejoice exceedingly. Meanwhile, sometime after (the exchange of sexes had taken place) Kuvera, who was always borne on the shoulders of human beings, in course of a journey (through the earth), came to the abode of Sthuna. Staying (in the welkin) above that mansion, the protector of all the treasures saw that the excellent abode of the Yaksha Sthuna was well-adorned with beautiful garland of flowers, and perfumed with fragrant roots of grass and many sweet scents. And it was decked with canopies, and scented incense. And it was also beautiful with standards and banners. And it was filled with edibles and drink of every kind. And beholding that beautiful abode of the Yaksha decked all over, and filled also with garlands of jewels and gems and perfumed with the fragrance of diverse kinds of flowers, and well-watered, and well-swept, the lord of the Yakshas addressed the Yakshas that followed him, saying, ‘Ye that are endued with immeasurable prowess, this mansion of Sthuna is well-adorned! Why, however, doth not that wight of wicked understanding come to me? And since that wicked-souled one, knowing I am here, approacheth me not, therefore, some severe punishment should be inflicted on him! Even this is my intention!’ Hearing these words of his, the Yakshas said, ‘O king, the royal Drupada had a daughter born unto him, of the name of Sikhandini! Unto her, for some reason, Sthuna had given his own manhood, and having taken her womanhood upon him, he stayeth within his abode having become a woman! Bearing as he doth a feminine form, he doth not, therefore, approach thee in shame! It is for this reason, O king, that Sthuna cometh not to thee! Hearing all this, do what may be proper!’ Let the car be stopped here! Let Sthuna be brought to me,–were the words that the lord of the Yakshas uttered, and repeatedly said,–I will punish him!–Summoned then by the Lord of Yakshas, Sthuna bearing a feminine form came thither, O king, and stood before him in shame. Then, O thou of Kuru’s race, the giver of wealth cursed him in anger, saying, ‘Ye Guhyakas, let the femininity of the wretch remain as it is!’ And the high-souled lord of the Yakshas also said, ‘Since humiliating all the Yakshas, thou hast, O thou of sinful deeds, given away thy own sex to Sikhandini and taken from her, O thou of wicked understanding, her femininity,–since, O wicked wretch, thou hast done what hath never been done by anybody,–therefore from this day, thou shalt remain a woman and she shall remain a man!’ At these words of his, all the Yakshas began to soften Vaisravana for the sake of Sthunakarna repeatedly saying, ‘Set a limit to thy curse!’ The high-souled lord of the Yakshas then said unto all these Yakshas that followed him,

    p. 371

    from desire of setting a limit to his curse, these words, viz.,–After Sikhandin’s death, ye Yakshas, this one will regain his own form! Therefore, let this high-souled Yaksha Sthuna be freed from his anxiety! Having said this, the illustrious and divine king of the Yakshas, receiving due worship, departed with all his followers who were capable of traversing a great distance within the shortest space of time. And Sthuna, with that curse pronounced on him, continued to live there. And when the time came, Sikhandin without losing a moment came unto that wanderer of the night. And approaching his presence he said, It have come to thee, O holy one!’ Sthuna then repeatedly said unto him, ‘I am pleased with thee!’ Indeed, beholding that prince return to him without guile, Sthuna told Sikhandin everything that had happened. Indeed, the Yaksha said, ‘O son of a king, for thee I have been cursed by Vaisravana. Go now, and live happily amongst men as thou choosest. Thy coming here and the arrival of Pulastya’s son were, I think, both ordained from beforehand. All this was incapable of being prevented!’

    “Bhishma continued, ‘Thus addressed by the Kaksha, Sthuna, Sikhandin, O Bharata, came to his city, filled with great joy. And he worshipped with diverse scents and garlands of flower and costly presents persons of the regenerate class, deities, big trees and crossways. And Drupada, the ruler of the Panchalas, along with his son Sikhandin whose wishes had been crowned with success, and with also his kinsmen, became exceedingly glad. And the king then, O bull of Kuru’s race, gave his son, Sikhandin, who had been a woman, as a pupil, O monarch, to Drona. An prince Sikhandin obtained, along with yourselves, the whole science of arms with its four divisions. And (his brother) Dhrishtadyumna of Prishata’s race also obtained the same. Indeed, all this way represented unto me, O sire, by the spies, disguised as idiots and as persons without the senses of vision, and hearing whom I had set upon Drupada. It is thus, O king, that that best of Rathas. Sikhandin, the son of Drupada, having first been born a female, subsequently became a person of the other sex. And it was the eldest daughter of the ruler of Kasi, celebrated by the name of Amva, who was, O bull of Bharata’s race, born in Drupada’s line as Sikhandin. If he approacheth me bow in hand and desirous of fight, I will not look at him even for a moment nor smite him, O thou of unfading glory! Even–this is my vow, known over all the world, viz., that I will not, O son of Kuru’s race, shoot weapons upon a woman, or one that was a woman before or one bearing a feminine name, or one whose form resembleth a woman’s. I will not, for this reason, slay Sikhandin. Even this, O sire, is the story that I have ascertained of Sikhandin’s birth. I will not, therefore, slay him in battle even if he approacheth me weapon in hand. If Bhishma slayeth a woman the righteous will all speak ill of him. I will not, therefore, slay him even if I behold him waiting for battle!’

    p. 372

    “Sanjaya continued, ‘Hearing these words of Bhishma, king Duryodhana of Kuru’s race, reflecting for a moment, thought even that behaviour was proper for Bhishma.'”

  13. Smarty When a foul blow is hit the warrior who is hit with that blow and is in position to talk immediately makes a hungama. Reason Human psychology. Vali in Ramayana Bhurishrava in mb and ditto for duryodhana. Why didn’t abhimanyu do the same. Drona telling karna to cut bow from behind is no a valid point. Was Karna such a paramagya kaari of drona that whatever drona says he will do it word to word ? Drona knew abhimanyu to be arjuna son. He was already in praising mode of abhimanyu so its but obvious he wont say cut the bow fair and square. And coming to Karnas capabilities yes he had equaled abhimayu before talking to drona but before that abhimayu had repulsed him twice. And in any case Drona was not the chief executive officer of the karna fan club. To prove an act it’s the words describing that particular act. Not the who said to whom before it which your passages are claiming. The words are clear karna cut the bow. My cousin is in the army he is a major. So many times he gives some instructions and they are carried out but in a different way in a war zone. Battle scene is liquid not static.

  14. Sachin ans- Invalid HAWA-MAHAL claim….. Arjun saving Krishna’s life is a Practical fact of MB which you cant refute….
    My ans and the vice versa is also the same.

    My statement-“Arjuna got saved from karna is also a fact from MB suggest you learn to live with it”
    Sachins ans- HAWA-MAHAL claim again which you have failed to prove till date….. Hence i dont need to answer it…..
    My ans dil ko tasalli dene ke liye ghalib yeh khayal achcha hai

    And your point itself gets punctured by the Example of one Man demolshing the whole City of Japan(Hiroshima/Nagasaki) single-handedly….. So stop beating your puntured Dhol…..
    My ans. The president of punctured dhol club is accusing me of the same. Any bloody fool can drop a bomb that idiot is not attributed with glory. By this logic the killer of Rajiv Gandhi also gets award for bravery. Ditto for osama bin laden for bombing world trade centre. Arjuna did not drop bomb he allegedly repulsed the battalion with bows and arrows and hence virat yudha is supernatural.

    Sachin ans- Ha…ha…ha…. Lo kar lo baat…… Rana pratap ran away from battle & Mughal captured the Marwad from Rana pratap ultimately & you claim that Rana pratap is still not defeated !! kudos to your understanding….. Ha…ha…ha…. Ha…ha…ha….
    My ans the point was life sparing . Just because rana pratap retreated from battle does not make the mughals sparing his life. Yes rana pratap was defeated because his kingdom was captured after that. That is defeat ie retreating permanently from battlefield and kingdom getting snatched. Bhima achieved neither in that encounter on the contrary got his life spared.

    Your statement-“but even if we agree on that arjuna defeated a warrior who was engaged with some one else.”
    Sachins ans- Wow… so you accepted that Arjun defeated Karna there….. Good… atleast you accepted the defeat of Karna there…. So it proves that Bhima was not defeated in the final round, because Bhima did not back off….. So the equation between Bhima vs Karna stays as 6:0… & Arjun vs Karna = 7:0….
    My ans Bhimas status nanga bhikari got life spared. Arjuna 7 – 0 where did that come from ? Its 3 -1. Virat yudha thrice bhargava astra Karna = 1. Rama killing Vali while engaging with sugriva is not defeat for vali bhurishrava engaged with satyaki arjuna firing arrow is makes arjuna a meddler not victor. Ditto for the bhima karna duel.

    Sachins ans- Well if fall of maharathi vrishasena is not on planet krypton, then who is stopping you post those passages in this blog to prove your point…..?? Why are you so scared ?? This proves that you lost this debate already, that is why you are hiding behing “fall of maharathi vrishasena” blog….
    My ans Why cant you do that. ? Your standard operating procedure of sending us on wild goose chase is well known. Those who are reading this will go there and see how you backed out of active debate and got defeated.

  15. Shikhandi though born as a male because of his boon by Shiva remembered her womanhood of previous birth. Thats the reason he could not act as male. In entire MB Shikhandi is addressed as male even by Vyasa and even participates in war as a male.

    If any deceit was there than it was deceit used by Mahdeva and not Arjuna. So please go and compalint to Mahadeva about it as he gave that boon and not Arjuna.